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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014 10:31 pm 
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This is an interesting article about Béarlachas.

http://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9arlachas


I'd say we are guilty of all of them in Conamara. :LOL:

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014 1:37 am 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
I'd say we are guilty of all of them in Conamara. :LOL:

Ó bhuel a Bhríd, míneáil sibh go maith. ;)

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014 3:01 pm 
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Mick wrote:
Bríd Mhór wrote:
I'd say we are guilty of all of them in Conamara. :LOL:

Ó bhuel a Bhríd, míneáil sibh go maith. ;)
:LOL: I wouldn't beat yourself up about it, it's inevitable that English and Irish will influence each other here. We just need to try to make sure that Irish influences English more than the other way around! :mrgreen:

A lot of the examples in the article address questions that have been asked here eg. Family, the colour green etc. Suimiúil.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014 3:44 pm 
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Ok, no more one-liner jokes, this time I'm going to post a serious comment.

I try to avoid Béarlachas as much as possible, because I'm a learner and I need to practice using authentic Irish. For a learner, Béarlachas is a crutch that needs to be thrown away.

But for someone who is fully bilingual (like Bríd and many others in Conamara), there is nothing wrong with playing around with both languages and using whatever expression is convenient. I don't see that as something to feel “guilty” about, a Bhríd, it's a sign that your English is good, not a sign of poor Irish.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014 4:23 pm 
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I didn't mean I felt literally guilty or bad about it.
I meant that we do that quite a bit in Conamara.

I think it's just the way language naturally evolves.

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Saoirse wrote:
A lot of the examples in the article address questions that have been asked here eg. Family, the colour green etc. Suimiúil.


"Family" is particularly interesting as we don't really have an Irish word with the exact meaning of the English word.

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This week they were talking about an opinion poll here that clearly showed that viewers were fed up with all the anglicismes/béarlachas creeping into the way the news is presented on French télévision. It's supposed to be chic and à la mode, but generally we get the impression that we're being patronised and talked down to. Is that the impression you get in the Gaeltacht? I remember somebody saying that on the Aran Islands they weren't very happy with Gaelgóirí coming in from Donegal or from elsewhere in Ulster during the holiday season, who were making them feel that their own dialect was inferior.


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franc 91 wrote:
This week they were talking about an opinion poll here that clearly showed that viewers were fed up with all the anglicismes/béarlachas creeping into the way the news is presented on French télévision. It's supposed to be chic and à la mode, but generally we get the impression that we're being patronised and talked down to. Is that the impression you get in the Gaeltacht? I remember somebody saying that on the Aran Islands they weren't very happy with Gaelgóirí coming in from Donegal or from elsewhere in Ulster during the holiday season, who were making them feel that their own dialect was inferior.



I believe your language Académie frowns on anglicismes (like Le weekend), but I thought they were accepted by the public. But I suppose every language can have too many of them.


I'd be surprised that Aran islanders would be like that towards Donegal people or Munster people either.
Maybe one or two people said that then people think the whole island thinks the same. It's possible that some find them harder to understand but I doubt there is any animosity OR feelings of inferiority either.

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Bríd Mhór wrote:
This is an interesting article about Béarlachas.

http://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9arlachas


I'd say we are guilty of all of them in Conamara. :LOL:

Thanks Bríd, I hadn't seen that before, I learned a good bit from it. :good:

I learned the hacnaí one early on, I got Gheobhair síob ón hacnaí when I went off the walk around Croca Dhuibhne.

There's also harasaí a terrible hangover, bhárneáil warning, sbhae sway, Seaimpín Champion.

There is a few that come from English but don't have the same meaning. Like Bhitéirí from Waiters, but it means coastguards.

My two favourite: Coimeadar come hither used for giving somebody a sexy look and Na Sasaigí for sausages!

If you have any others yourself Bríd, I'd love to hear them.

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Apr 2014 9:49 pm 
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Mick wrote:
Ok, no more one-liner jokes, this time I'm going to post a serious comment.
For a learner, Béarlachas is a crutch that needs to be thrown away.


...naww...not getting any younger so I think I'll just hold on to it for a little while longer myself.... :LOL:

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