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 Post subject: de and do in Munster
PostPosted: Mon 27 Jan 2014 5:13 pm 
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AS I understand it De and Do are interchangeable in Munster.

Can anyone tell me to what extent, does it not matter if I use díom or dom, den or don etc ?

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 Post subject: Re: de and do in Munster
PostPosted: Mon 27 Jan 2014 7:18 pm 
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Do/De are interchangeable, so are don/den. However this really means that people use do and don for both. However the inflected forms like dom, díom are not interchangeable.

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 Post subject: Re: de and do in Munster
PostPosted: Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:09 pm 
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Same thing in Connemara and maybe in southern Donegal (if I remember well).
However in northern Donegal as far as I know, "do" and all its forms are used in all cases instead of "de".
Strangely enough, it looks like Scottish Gaelic and Manx normally don't mix up do and de (well, their equivalents)

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 Post subject: Re: de and do in Munster
PostPosted: Tue 28 Jan 2014 12:31 pm 
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And how are they pronounced in those languages?

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 Post subject: Re: de and do in Munster
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Depends on the dialect... in Manx the word is "jeh", pronounced "jeh" (for once a Manx word is pronounced as it is written :D ). In Scottish Gaelic I'm not sure, have to verify...

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 Post subject: Re: de and do in Munster
PostPosted: Tue 28 Jan 2014 2:37 pm 
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Any idea when they started to fall together in Irish?

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 Post subject: Re: de and do in Munster
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I read somewhere (Thurneysen? Stair na Gaeilge? Sengoídelc?) that they even started to be mixed up together in the Old Irish period :)

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