Okay, so here is what is troubling me recently.

The pronunciations for folamh on http://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/empty?q=empty are sounding like the following to me:

Connanct: FALL-LAH
Munster: FULL-UV
Ulster: FALL-LOO

But what I see listed on http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/folamh confuses me as it seems to have the Connact and Munster pronunciation both listed as FALL-UV instead of FALL-LAH / FULL-UV which seems to be a hybrid of the two pronunciations listed on focloir.ie.

Listening to them on forvo.com (http://www.forvo.com/word/folamh/#ga), it sounds to me like generalbelly is saying what was listed on focloir.ie for the Munster dialect and what BridEilis is saying as the Connact listed there.

Anyhow, I guess my question is should I really be trusting the IPA listed on Wiktionary? Heh.

Full-uv is the way i was taught it here in Corca Dhuibhne, and its whats in the old Munster teach yourself Irish.

Maybe its possible Wiki made a mistake ? As hard as that is to believe.

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Anyway, Ulster has [ˈfɔlˠu] indeed

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
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It's reasonably good, but I wouldn't trust it.

As an aside does anybody know why they use /ɾʲ/ for slender r all the time, in Munster Irish at any rate that sound is only used after other slender consonants, but it certainly isn't the typical slender r sound.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Good point. There are times it is like a tap, sometimes a 'd'd, sometimes like a z or zh, and ever slightly retroflexed and 'smudged'

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I agree. It appears to be all over place as far as pronunciation is concerned.


I see what you mean.

In Connemara, slender r is broadened at the beginning of a word, and before t, d, n, I, th or after s:

ríomhaire /ri:wər´ə/
Máirtín /mɑ:rt´i:n´/
cairde /kɑ:rd´ə/
tairne /tɑ:rN´ə/
comhairle /ku:rL´ə/
beirthe /b´erhə/ or /b´orhə/
sreang /s´ræŋg/

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

youd think in this day and age they would provide audio examples.

This way limits the amount of people who can access the info. You need to go off and learn IPA.

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But this is not IPA (what I wrote in my last message is IPA though), it's a phonological transcription, that is only used to transcribe Irish... for instance, the apostrophy means "ejective consonant" in real IPA ; /L'/ corresponds to the IPA [ʎ] and so forth.

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Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

They are using phonology in that ɾʲ is simply used for whenever the slender r phoneme is discussed. However at least in most books they use r' and describe its variation, where as I think here, especially from the phonology chart, that beginners might get the impression that slender r is basically a tap sound.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Okay. Thanks, everyone. I was thinking the forvo.com recordings were correct but I wasn't sure how much I should trust Wikitionary and in fact this could just be a mistake on their site as someone stated or something. Idk. Just kinda weird that the main pronunciations wouldn't be listed there though. lol

Anyone know of any other sites out there to preview or view IPA pronunciations for Irish on which can be trusted more?