Hello, I am fench and don't speak gaelic. I am doing a theatrical work and I would like to have the phonetic for the following sentence :

Cà dtéigheann an taoide nuair thagann an tràghadh ?
Mar a dtéigheann an oidhche nuair thagann an là ?

Does anyone can help me with it ?
Thanks to anyone who will give me support.
Chris.

Cà dtéigheann an taoide nuair thagann an tràghadh ?
Mar a dtéigheann an oidhche nuair thagann an là ?

very roughly:

cah jayn uh tee-jeh noo-uhr* uh ha-gunn uh traa
muhr uh jayn an ee-hyeh noo-uhr* uh hah-gunn uh laa

r* is halfway between a Spanish r, a French j-sound and a z sound.

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I'm not sure it is necessary to add in the unexpressed relative there.

Nuair ' thagann = /nuərʹ hɑgən/.

Nuair is often found with deletion of the following relative in Munster literature, which suggests that this pronunciation is natural.


/kɑ: dʹe:n ə ti:dʹi nuərʹ hɑgən ən trɑ:
mɑr ə dʹe:n ən i:hi nuərʹ hɑgən ə lɑ:/

Lughaidh: When/where were grave accents used like that used in Irish (as in cà above)? I've never seen them before, although I'm not very familiar with much of the older written materials. Or is that Gaelic written with (older) Irish forms of some of the words (especially the verbs)? Just curious.

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I'm not a native (or entirely fluent) speaker, so be sure to wait for confirmations/corrections, especially for tattoos.

A Chaoimhín, it might be that he's using the same keyboard as I am (c'est-à-dire AZERTY) and not using the letters with fadas above.

Unfortunately, the síneadh fada is not available on keyboards - there are only the acute and grave accents to choose from.

In this case I've just copied-and-pasted the first message... it's not me who has put the à there. Maybe Cara Macree has a French keyboard
As far as I'm concerned, I've found a solution to type the Irish síntí fada on this computer so normally it's ok.

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Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

Er...the fada IS an acute accent.

Redwolf

Well, the acute accent is the nearest diacritic to the síneadh fada - and so when the decision was made to abandon the Gaelic script, the use of the Roman script and modern font types necessitated the use of the acute accent.

In seana-chló, at least - seana-chló being a manuscript hand, although fonts are available - the síneadh fada is much longer and flatter than the acute accent. They are not the same at all.

Compare:

é and
é

That is, of course, just the font made by Vincent Morley, and Bunchló Ársa does not accentuate the difference, although it does show the síneadh fada as flatter. Gaelic manuscripts often show the fada as very flat and very long, and often extending the length of 3 or 4 letters after the letter it is properly applying to. I think this may be why in many 17th century manuscripts, the fada seems to be over the wrong vowel, eg words like ua can appear as úa or what looks like uá, or just as ua. For example, if you go to http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/UCC/U ... es/13.html and click on the images for pages 232-251, and then click on the image for p251 , you get a very beautiful image. In the fifth line from the bottom, it is unclear if the fada is over the u or the a of sluagh. In the third line from the bottom is over both the u and the a of fuatha. Rígh occurs repeatedly on that page, and the fada is not exactly a neat acute accent over the i, but a flatter, more slanting one.

I know you could argue this is just one scribe's hand, and every person's handwriting will differ, but "acute" and "grave" refer specifically to French. I think we could tentatively describe the acute accent as síneadh gairid na Frainncise.

I was looking on this site http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/ortho.htm about the síneadh fada (there is an image of Seán 7 Síle there in both scripts, showing clearly the distinction between the síneadh fada and the acute accent) and found this further down on the page:



!! Gaillímhe is for me /gɑ'lʹi:/, i.e. /ku:N'te: Nə gɑ'lʹi:/.