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PostPosted: Tue 19 Nov 2013 8:44 pm 
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Hi there,
I've heard lenition after 'go' (mar shampla "Chuaigh sé go Charna" on Ros na Rún, so I was wondering about any dialect after 'le'.

Also, what are the versions of 'tugtar' to be found? ('tucar' or 'tuctar', perhaps) as well as the handling of broad 'ch' plus sé/sí/siad outside of the gnáthchaite and modh coinníolach (ex: d'fhéach sé vs. cheannódh sé)

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 2:51 am 
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I've heard lenition after 'go' (mar shampla "Chuaigh sé go Charna" on Ros na Rún, so I was wondering about any dialect after 'le'.


I don't know any dialect that lenites after go (not the one that indicates motion to a place, anyway). Was it a native speaker? It might be a mistake.
Same with "le" except in a few set phrases "le chéile" (together), "le thine" (in fire)...

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Also, what are the versions of 'tugtar' to be found? ('tucar' or 'tuctar', perhaps)


in Ulster, people say "bheirtear" (but "tabhairtear" or other variants after most particles: cha dtabhairtear, go dtabhairtear...).

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as well as the handling of broad 'ch' plus sé/sí/siad outside of the gnáthchaite and modh coinníolach (ex: d'fhéach sé vs. cheannódh sé)


I know the s of sé, sí, sibh, siad may become broad after -dh in certain Munster dialects (Cleare Island), maybe after some other broad consonants too. Like "cheannódh sae" (cheannóch sae)...
"D'fhéach sé" is "d'fhiach sé" (d'fhiach sea) in Donegal (and it's mainly used to say "he tried": d'fhiach sé le sin a dhéanamh, since "to look at" is "amhanc/amharc ar").

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 7:59 am 
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Lughaidh, does le thine mean "on fire" in Donegal? It is trí thine in Munster.


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 10:22 am 
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Jay Bee wrote:
"Chuaigh sé go Charna"

Who said that in Ros na Rún?
No, we say "go Carna".

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 12:43 pm 
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I don't know who it was as it's the first time I ever really watched the show.

A Bhríd, cén chaoi a dheirtear "D'fhéach sí" i gConamara, /d'e:t si:/ nó d'e:x si:/? Agus, 'tugtar'?

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 12:46 pm 
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Lughaidh, does le thine mean "on fire" in Donegal? It is trí thine in Munster.


"le theinidh" in Donegal. Yeah it's the way they say it in traditional literature.
Btw if "le" lenites here, it's because the "le" here is a distortion of "trí" (I dunno why because normally "trí" is "fríd" in Donegal, but in this case it has become "le").

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Lughaidh wrote:
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"I don't know any dialect that lenites after go (not the one that indicates motion to a place, anyway). Was it a native speaker? It might be a mistake"


AFIK. It might just have been done in quick speech as something not likely to be repeated.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 6:24 pm 
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Jay Bee wrote:
Hi there,
I've heard lenition after 'go' (mar shampla "Chuaigh sé go Charna" on Ros na Rún, so I was wondering about any dialect after 'le'.

Also, what are the versions of 'tugtar' to be found? ('tucar' or 'tuctar', perhaps) as well as the handling of broad 'ch' plus sé/sí/siad outside of the gnáthchaite and modh coinníolach (ex: d'fhéach sé vs. cheannódh sé)

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go Charna
Perhaps some Connacht speakers have begun leniting after go influenced by lenition following do & de pronounced /gə/ in their dialect?

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Jay Bee wrote:
I don't know who it was as it's the first time I ever really watched the show.

A Bhríd, cén chaoi a dheirtear "D'fhéach sí" i gConamara, /d'e:t si:/ nó d'e:x si:/? Agus, 'tugtar'?


Normally we'd say - Bhreathnaigh sí...

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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Jay Bee wrote:
I don't know who it was as it's the first time I ever really watched the show.

A Bhríd, cén chaoi a dheirtear "D'fhéach sí" i gConamara, /d'e:t si:/ nó d'e:x si:/? Agus, 'tugtar'?


Normally we'd say - Bhreathnaigh sí...

:yes:

@Jay Bee - that change of /x/ to /ṭ/ before s pronouns occurs with -dh endings that are pronounced /x/ elsewhere, not with actual -ch. ;)

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