Another Direct And Indirect Relative Question

asenion · **Joined:** Mon 11 Mar 2013 5:19 am **Posts:** 56

Sin é an fear a raibh mé ag léamh ina seomra leapa. means That is the man in whose bedroom I was reading. and the indirect relative should be used here, correct?

Also, how would we write/translate That is the man in whose son's bedroom I was reading?

I am sure I will never need to say these things but just curious how the language works.

Thanks in advance.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Sin é an fear a raibh mé ag léamh ina sHeomra leapa.

right but an H is missing "a sheomra" = his bedroom.

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Also, how would we write/translate That is the man in whose son's bedroom I was reading?

Sin é an fear a raibh mé ag léamh i seomra (leapa) a mhic.

MacBoo · **Posted:** Sun 15 Sep 2013 9:23 pm

Lughaidh wrote:

Sin é an fear a raibh mé ag léamh i seomra (leapa) a mhic.

That looks fine to me.

Try this one..

Sin é an fear a dúirt mé a shíl mé a bhínn ag léamh i seomra a mhic.

I'm burned out after that and I'm not at all sure if it's right... :darklaugh:

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

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Sin é an fear a dúirt mé a shíl mé a bhínn ag léamh i seomra a mhic.

I think we should have an indirect relative somewhere here :mrgreen:

in Ó Siadhail's 'Modern Irish', you can find such sentences:

An fear a dúirt tú a shíl tú a chonaic tú (D)
Seo an áit as a gceaptar a dtáinig bunadh an Uachtaráin Reagan (D)
An t-ór seo ar chreid corrdhuine go rabh sé ann (D)

Do we need to put an indirect relative everywhere? like:

Sin é an fear a dúirt mé ar shíl mé a mbínn ag léamh i seomra a mhic. ???

not sure at all...

asenion · **Joined:** Mon 11 Mar 2013 5:19 am **Posts:** 56

Thanks, Lughaidh. I wasn't sure whether the s in seomra resisted lenition here or not.

asenion · **Joined:** Mon 11 Mar 2013 5:19 am **Posts:** 56

Is mbínn the eclipsed form of bhínn (past habitual)? Still new to Irish here.

And is this supposed to mean something along the lines of That's the guy who I said I thought I used to read in his son's (bed)room? / That's the guy who I said I thought I was reading (habitually) in his son's (bed)room? *BRAIN FRIED* Arg. Lol

Errigal · **Joined:** Fri 09 Sep 2011 2:06 pm **Posts:** 716

asenion wrote:

Is mbínn the eclipsed form of bhínn (past habitual)? Still new to Irish here.

And is this supposed to mean something along the lines of That's the guy who I said I thought I used to read in his son's (bed)room? / That's the guy who I said I thought I was reading (habitually) in his son's (bed)room? *BRAIN FRIED* Arg. Lol

I think bhínn 's a typo for bhíonn: ...the man I said I thought is (habitually) reading in his son's room.

patrickjwalsh · **Joined:** Wed 24 Jul 2013 2:31 am **Posts:** 329

asenion wrote:

Is mbínn the eclipsed form of bhínn (past habitual)? Still new to Irish here.

And is this supposed to mean something along the lines of That's the guy who I said I thought I used to read in his son's (bed)room? / That's the guy who I said I thought I was reading (habitually) in his son's (bed)room? *BRAIN FRIED* Arg. Lol

It means: that's the man in whose son's bedroom I thought I used to read

Errigal · **Joined:** Fri 09 Sep 2011 2:06 pm **Posts:** 716

patrickjwalsh wrote:

asenion wrote:

Is mbínn the eclipsed form of bhínn (past habitual)? Still new to Irish here.

And is this supposed to mean something along the lines of That's the guy who I said I thought I used to read in his son's (bed)room? / That's the guy who I said I thought I was reading (habitually) in his son's (bed)room? *BRAIN FRIED* Arg. Lol

It means: that's the man in whose son's bedroom I thought I used to read

Well, in that case it should be mbínn, not bhínn.

I was being charitable to Macboo suggesting a typo rather than a grammar mistake :mrgreen:

, though that interpretation of mine wouldn't fit the pattern of arsenion's original sentence anyway.

asenion · **Joined:** Mon 11 Mar 2013 5:19 am **Posts:** 56

Thanks, Patrick. Totally forgot about the son part. lol

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