I was wondering why I knew ná fuilir and why it wasn't ná fuileann tú.
I took me ages of going through my various books and websites and found the answer here
http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/bi1.htm

it seems that tánn tú used to (or still does???? ) have an alternative form táir.
is táir still used, is bír still used? or even ná fuilir as opposed to ná fuileann tú.

And most importantly of all are there any other verbs which have different dependent forms which are not obvious?

in Munster Irish that is.

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also I'm trying to figure out how youd translate ná bím, ná bíonn tú in to English ( or Hiberno english)

Bím is the Irish for " I do be"

so is ná bím , Don't I be , as in I might say, Don't I be cooking dinners most nights.

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Tá and every other verb originally had -(a)ir as the second person ending:
Glanair = You clean.

However this is quite rare now, outside of occasional use with the dependent form and even
then it is mostly used only with Tá.
An bhfuilir...? = Are you...?
Is dócha ná fuilir.... = You are probably not...

It's also more common in speakers from the east of Corca Dhuibhne, who occasionally
say things like go nglanair.

Also Tá is treated a bit more like a regular verb in Munster and has the ending -nn ending
for the second persons:
Tánn tú
Tánn sibh

The -air ending however is quite common in the future:
Ceannóir = You will buy
Glanfair = You will clean

There also used to be a -t(h)(a)í ending in the present to express the 2nd person plural:
Táthaoi= You (pl.) are
Glantaí = You (pl.) clean
However this is almost certainly gone now outside of the phrase:
Conas táthaoi? = How are you (pl.)?
Used by some older speakers in Cork.

You'll really only see it in older literature.


By dependent do you mean the form used after particles like go and ní?

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Yeah, that would be the Hiberno-English translation. In standard English I can't think of the
proper expression, since you'd normally say Don't I cook dinner most nights?, but I guess:
Am I not cooking dinners most nights?

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Hmm i think so
Definitely after ná and gur I think.

as in ná fuilir. fuilir being a dependent form of Táim. I think that's the correct term.

As far as I can figure out, and this has taken me the best part of two whole days.
the verbs Bí, déan, feic, duirt, téigh, tabhair and faigh have dependent forms , just not sure if any others do and if they differ in any way for Munster. like ná fuilir vs ná fuileann tú.

AS always Lon Dubh your help has been invaluable.

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mara and sara i think also get the dependent verb forms.

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You can find táir in old books, but even then rarely.

For tá tú, you can find:

táir
taoi (conas taoi)
tánn tú
taíonn tú (fundamentally the same as taoi above, with the nn ending added on - so really taoi'nn tú)

The other common one is: cad deirir?

According to my informant, words like táir and bír sound very old-fashioned to him [he's in his mid-eighties so they must be very old-fashioned, indeed!] and nobody really talks like that. However, he said that they are quite correct and can sometimes be found in old books, so it's a good to understand words like that. As for Ná fuilir and An bhfuilir, they definitely ARE in use by fluent speakers. I know that this is the opinion of only one person, but he's a fluent native speaker and I've never known him to ever be wrong about things like this.

This is how I use them....Cén t-am go bhfuileann sé? An bhfuilir go maith?
Conas tánn tú/ conas taoi.....táir isn't used now really but does make sense...never heard of "bír"


but "ná fuil" is often used, "ná fuileann" less often and sometimes for the Dubs we say "nach bhfuil" but we include the fada though..."nách bhfuil"