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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 5:57 pm 
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Hi,
I'm getting married this fall :)
I come from a very close knit Irish family and have been researching some of my ancestry with some obstacles.
My family name is predominantly uncommon (Forhan) the Maternal side is a litter easier to follow but both my Gread Grandparents were born in Cooleen, which I'm having difficulty finding but nearest I can figure with other information is its near Limerick. Or more to my point here, pretty firmly in Munster kingdom.

What I'd like is to have a phrase translated in the language that my Great and Great-Great grandparents would be familiar with. Their exodus to the US was roughly around 1850 and I'm aware that there were many changes around that time. So I gues what I'm looking for would be the sean-litriú spelling in Munster, if there's even a difference, for the phrase "Always with you" for my Fiance's wedding ring. (additionally I'd like to get "Always with Me" on mine but I think I can figure the other out if I can get a valid translation of one.

In my own research, I've found a dizzying amount of possibilities and I really dont trust Google for translating this properly. But I've seen the following options.
I've seen
In éineacht leat i gcónaí
I gcónaí a bhfuil tú
For Always with you

and
In éineacht liom i gcónaí
Liomsa go deo
I gcónaí le liom
For Always with me

I'm not certain either is grammatically correct or that either would make any sense to anyone in my family who lived in Ireland at some point. I've very much like this to be accurate to their time if there have been any changes. I also done trust translation tools at all. I had a friend who wanted "You're in my heart" put on their tattoo in Portuguese and instead got something that meant "You're physically inside of my heart" which is more creepy than sweet.
I dont know how well the concepts of "Always" or "with you" translate at all. If I had to add words I'm make it "I will always be with you." I most certainly dont want "I am literally always there around you, annoying you." but linguistics can be quite tricky.
Not being a scholar I dont know what is grammatically correct for Gaelic. Could someone please help?


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 6:13 pm 
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Bsheehan wrote:
Hi,
I'm getting married this fall :)
I come from a very close knit Irish family and have been researching some of my ancestry with some obstacles.
My family name is predominantly uncommon (Forhan) the Maternal side is a litter easier to follow but both my Gread Grandparents were born in Cooleen, which I'm having difficulty finding but nearest I can figure with other information is its near Limerick. Or more to my point here, pretty firmly in Munster kingdom.

What I'd like is to have a phrase translated in the language that my Great and Great-Great grandparents would be familiar with. Their exodus to the US was roughly around 1850 and I'm aware that there were many changes around that time. So I gues what I'm looking for would be the sean-litriú spelling in Munster, if there's even a difference, for the phrase "Always with you" for my Fiance's wedding ring. (additionally I'd like to get "Always with Me" on mine but I think I can figure the other out if I can get a valid translation of one.

In my own research, I've found a dizzying amount of possibilities and I really dont trust Google for translating this properly. But I've seen the following options.
I've seen
In éineacht leat i gcónaí
I gcónaí a bhfuil tú
For Always with you

and
In éineacht liom i gcónaí
Liomsa go deo
I gcónaí le liom
For Always with me

I'm not certain either is grammatically correct or that either would make any sense to anyone in my family who lived in Ireland at some point. I've very much like this to be accurate to their time if there have been any changes. I also done trust translation tools at all. I had a friend who wanted "You're in my heart" put on their tattoo in Portuguese and instead got something that meant "You're physically inside of my heart" which is more creepy than sweet.
I dont know how well the concepts of "Always" or "with you" translate at all. If I had to add words I'm make it "I will always be with you." I most certainly dont want "I am literally always there around you, annoying you." but linguistics can be quite tricky.
Not being a scholar I dont know what is grammatically correct for Gaelic. Could someone please help?


Some of those are very wrong. As for the others, I think we can simplify quite a bit.

First, you need to decide if, by "always," you mean "at all times" or "forever."

For the former:

Always with you: Leatsa i gCónaí

Always with me: Liomsa i gCónaí

For the latter:

Always with you: Leatsa Go Brách

Always with me: Liomsa Go Brách

These can also mean "Always/Forever Yours" and "Always/Forever Mine," but I think they're fine in this context as well. Wait for more input on that.

If others think they're too ambigous this way, the alternative would be:

In Éineacht Leat i gCónaí/Go Brách

In Éineachth Liom i gCónaí/Go Brách

You can, if you wish, use "Go Deo" instead of "Go Brách." Both mean "forever."

Wait for more input, please.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 6:28 pm 
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Thank you. This is helpful so far. I was pretty aware that a couple were distinctly not correct.
Though I'd seen Go Brách suggested, I was under the impression that it was pretty firmly forever. WHihc oculd be okay but I'd like to be able to express the real meaning when I give it.

I believe I'd be looking for for the "at all times" than forever but I may change my mind when I can see the way the characters look when laid out.


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 8:56 pm 
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As another alternative, you could use "eternally":
Eternally yours: Leatsa Go Síoraí
Eternally mine: Liomsa Go Síoraí

Flanagan's Irish Place Names lists a Coolmeen [note the "m"] in County Clare, the Irish form of which is Cúil Mhín ("smooth nook"").

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 9:16 pm 
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Thank you as well!

From what I can gather, Cooleen appears as though it's as the convergence of Claire (where I was always told we came from) Limerick, which where the immigration papers sate bother Great Grandparents were from (though others say Cooleen) and Tipperary...
The only other anecdotal evidence is my grandmother insisted we left from Mayo.
and here
http://www.myfishmaps.com/intl-fishing- ... o/Cooleen/
is a Cooleen in Sligo which is close to Mayo....
Its very confusing and frustrating, even in visiting the national Registrar was inconstant.


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 10:14 pm 
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There is a Cooleen in Maigh Eo:

http://www.logainm.ie/Viewer.aspx?text= ... treets=yes


I'd go with Redwolf's:

Always with you: Leatsa i gCónaí
Always with me: Liomsa i gCónaí

These are the same in Munster and in Maigh Eo and can also mean "always yours" and "still yours", neither of which are undesirable meanings, I would think.

The old spellings would be:

Leatsa i gCóṁnaiḋe
Liomsa i gCóṁnaiḋe

If the dotted consonants are not possible, you can replace them with h's:

Leatsa i gCómhnaidhe
Liomsa i gCómhnaidhe

Here they are in sean-chló:

Leatsa i gCóṁnaiḋe
Liomsa i gCóṁnaiḋe

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 10:31 pm 
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Thank you very much this is great
The search site for Irish places is quite good. Seems I have several possibilities but at least now I have some, just have to eliminate a few.


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013 11:33 pm 
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' síoraí ', a Khevin.

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"Ad/Id theannta i gcó/omhnaidhe/ có/omhnaighe" (always).

The accent on the "o" in cómh, can be written in the opposite direction as in Scottish Gaelic as well.

"Ad/ Id theannta go síoraighe" (forever)

"Id theannta" is a popular way of saying "with you" in Munster.

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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
"Ad/Id theannta i gcó/omhnaidhe/ có/omhnaighe" (always).

The accent on the "o" in cómh, can be written in the opposite direction as in Scottish Gaelic as well.

"Ad/ Id theannta go síoraighe" (forever)

"Id theannta" is a popular way of saying "with you" in Munster.

Getting closer to a Munster version now. :D

Just to narrow down some (mostly spelling) choices, perhaps:

Id Theannta i gCómhnaidhe "With you always"
Im Theannta i gCómhnaidhe "With me always"

Here they are in sean-chló:

Id Ṫeannta i gCóṁnaiḋe
Im Ṫeannta i gCóṁnaiḋe

(If you'd like to see the go síoraighe version as well, just ask)

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