Réamhfhocal game / preposition game required?

Scooby · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 7:18 pm **Posts:** 576

Saoirse wrote:

Scooby wrote:

15. Bhí rothar nua ag teastáil ______ m’athair mar bhí an seanrothar ______ titim ______ a chéile.
16. ______ bharr timpiste a tharla ______ Sheán ______ déanaí, chaith sé tamall fada ______ ospidéal.

15. Bhí rothar nua ag teastáil ó m’athair mar bhí an seanrothar ag titim as a chéile.
16. De bharr timpiste a tharla do Sheán le déanaí, chaith sé tamall fada san ospidéal.

Ní chreidim go raibh tú ag smaoineamh faoi deich a dhéánamh le chéile!

20% déanta agat cheana féin.

Saoirse · **Posted:** Mon 06 Aug 2012 9:23 am

Scooby wrote:

17. Is gearr go mbeidh Sean ______ shláinte arís.

17. Is gearr go mbeidh Sean ina shláinte arís.

Nil mé cinnte ar chor ar bith faoin gceann seo; mar sin, ní dhearna mé ach ceann amháin.

Scooby · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 7:18 pm **Posts:** 576

Saoirse · **Posted:** Mon 06 Aug 2012 3:38 pm

Scooby wrote:

18. Ba mhian ______ Máire casadh ______ Sheán chun comhrá a bheith eatarthu ______ scrúdú.

18. Ba mhian le Máire casadh le Sheán chun comhrá a bheith eatarthu faoin scrúdú.

Scooby · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 7:18 pm **Posts:** 576

While cas can go with three different prepositions (according to FGB) it can't be le here because of the séimhiú. This is true in standard Irish. I am aware that the likes of le theacht exists in Conamara(?) Irish but even so le does not give rise to a séimhiú universally in dialectal Irish AFAIK.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

The verbs "a theacht", "a ghabháil" and "a bheith" are always lenited and normally preceded by "a", except of course when they (teacht and gabháil) are preceded by "ag" (which never lenites).
In "le theacht", it isn't "le" that lenites, it's simply because it's "le (a) theacht", same thing with "le (a) ghabháil" and "le (a) bheith". They are always lenited as verbal nouns except after "ag"...

Scooby · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 7:18 pm **Posts:** 576

It's le teacht and le gabháil (and le bheith) in standard Irish.

In the poem AN CHÉAD DRÁMA by Johnny Chóil Mhaidhc (Seán Ó Coisdealbha) there is the following:

Más uaigní an mhír atá le theacht,
Ná an radharc deire a d’imigh thart,
Imeoidh mo chiall ’s mo mheabhair ó smacht
Agus scoiltfidh an croí in mo lár faoi sheacht
Le uaigneas.

Are you saying it's le (a) theacht here too? The a just seems unnecessary (although something must give rise to the lenition so you must be right).

Saoirse · **Posted:** Mon 06 Aug 2012 6:42 pm

Saoirse wrote:

Scooby wrote:18. Ba mhian ______ Máire casadh ______ Sheán chun comhrá a bheith eatarthu ______ scrúdú.
18. Ba mhian le Máire casadh le Sheán chun comhrá a bheith eatarthu faoin scrúdú.

Scooby wrote:

While cas can go with three different prepositions (according to FGB) it can't be le here because of the séimhiú. This is true in standard Irish. I am aware that the likes of le theacht exists in Conamara(?) Irish but even so le does not give rise to a séimhiú universally in dialectal Irish AFAIK.

18. Ba mhian le Máire casadh ar Sheán chun comhrá a bheith eatarthu faoin scrúdú.

Scooby · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 7:18 pm **Posts:** 576

Saoirse · **Posted:** Mon 06 Aug 2012 7:02 pm

Scooby wrote:

19. Chuaigh an teach ______ thine ______ thimpiste ______ Cháisc.

19. Chuaigh an teach trí thine trí thimpiste roimh Cháisc.

Níl muinín agam as 'roimh' mar le 'roimh' an mbeidh 'an' ann ie roimh an Cháisc?

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