Yes - and as Luke is not near the Rath Cairn Gaeltacht, and hasn't mentioned any links to Connacht, maybe he would like to go through Teach Yourself Irish, as the text is freely available on the Internet and doesn't require a purchase!

Luke: the file is at https://archive.org/download/TeachYours ... YI1961.pdf It is a PDF with embedded audio, so in vocab lists, most of the words can be clicked on and listened to. It is a very traditional style of Irish - Munster Irish.

I think you can start in chapter 1 of that book - and avoid the detailed prefaces - because we can explain things to you as you go.

Will do! I did not know it was free. I was looking at it for sale on the web here so will gladly check that out.

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Luke I think the book needs to be supplemented with notes. I could write some, but I feel An Lon Dubh has expertise in this area, as shown by the Sliabh na mBan bhFionn threads, and I think his versions would be better. Anyway, I recommend you start on p25, with chapter 1. Where there is a clickable word to listen to audio (in the vocab lists and the sentences in the exercises), the word kind of has a sort of box around it in Adobe, where it becomes apparent that it is a link. Chapter 1 could be divided into a number of mini segments.

And the pronunciations in the audio files are very, very good and very authentic.

There was a thread at viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1406&start=100&hilit=Teach+Yourself+Irish , but without look at all 12 pages of discussion - it seems the study group never got started, and studied Séadna instead. But I think a thread - or 27 threads, one per chapter to make it easy for people to find the information in the future - on TYI would be helpful to all future learners of Munster Irish!

It was me who started that off, and then life got a bit crazy for a while and I never got back around to studying the book. I'm interested in giving it another attempt if others are up for it.

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Just youre opinion is it ?


This is you're opinion not fact, it is you're interpretation of Historical events.
It could well be argued, that the Irish people did not decide to abandon Irish , but that the social pressures of having a upper class who felt English and looked to England for cultural influence while simultaneously disparage Gaelic culture was the main influencing factor in the Languages long decline. This slowly progressed down the class system from the top and from government institutions. But the point is that is MY interpretation of a significant cause, not the only factor like you're simplistic interpretation interpretation is portrayed.





This is a forum that is supposed to help people Learn Irish, not a forum where you should have people jump down your throat if you're Irish doesn't have the purity of a 19th Century Blasket monoglot.
Demeaning peoples efforts generally will not encourage them , they will either give up or withdraw in to a safer place to practice there Irish, one where people don't make them afraid to try what they have.

Equally stop accusing people of holding specific political beliefs which you obviously oppose. People who wish to promote Irish outside the Gaeltacht are not all some Militant Republican bogey men like you often accuse them of being. Diverse views of Irish exist in all the political groupings in Ireland.

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And by the same token, reopening a flame war that has already naturally petered out and been replaced by a productive discussion on Irish grammar and learning materials is probably not going to do anyone any good.

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If you are not a good guest, you have no right to complain about receiving poor hospitality.

it might make people tone down the judgement. Which isint limited to this thread.

Frankly its putting me off coming to this sight to see if there is anything I can learn.

The lack of compromise Between the , I dont want to speak Like a bogger and I am going to speak my own heavily anglised Irish creole or the Your Irish is shit unless you can speak like a 19th Century Monoglot view points, is enough to put anyone off.

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Fantastic -- not Hodder's usual MO, but great news anyhow.

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A language belongs to its native speakers, and when you speak it, you are a guest in their homes.
If you are not a good guest, you have no right to complain about receiving poor hospitality.

Guys, just tone down the bickering. We are all adults here. I visited this forum because I am serious about trying to learn THE language. These guys obviously have very strict views about Irish but that is OK with me. I don't want to make enemies. I just want to learn. I'm sick of reading childish pointless attacks on forums and Youtube. it gets nobody anywhere and nobody wins. The best anyone can hope for is that they think tey really told some faceless nobody what for. And do you know what? The wider world doesn't care! So relax. Lets all be friends.

To be honest, I can actually see the point of view of those trying to keep what they consider the 'pure language' pure. But when I use whatever Irish I have (which is extreamely limited) I do so because it is the only way I know how. It is not because I chose one version of Irish over another. It would be fantastic from a learning point of view if the was only one version of Irish because it makes things difficult when you learn how to say something, then you hear it said differently and miss the meaning. This changes with time I suppose but is the language not simply richer for it? Leinster Irish as I understand it is extinct. I think I remember reading somewhere that the last flame went out in Co. Louth a few decades ago. I am sure someone will correct me but even if dodgy hybrid Irish is not to the taste to native speakers could it not be argued that on some level that is now a dialect in itself? I mean the English in Manchester don't speak 'real' English it could be argued. but it is what is spoken so that makes it real English in my book. By the same turn it could be argued native speakers should be speaking OLD Irish. Who gave them the right to change that? They didn't. It just evolved. Languages evolve and Irish is evolving maybe not naturally and maybe not to everyones taste but it is evolving.

I use what I know because the words I know are the from the sources that are available to me. If I'm quite honest, I don't even know which dialect it was we were doing in school! I know that some of the stuff I have been practicing is Ulster Irish using words like Muintar instead of clann etc. But I am just as happy to learn 'real Irish' and do not have any standing point on it. I would hope that when I am educated enough to tell the difference that maybe i can make an educated choice. Right now I just want to learn and take delight in seeing connections between my historical knowledge and paralells I notice in the language. it teaches me about where I come from, where I live and most importantly where we are headed. I find both subjects feed each other and give me enormous pleasure. That is my motivation learning Irish aswell as my desire if possible to leave two Irish speakers behind me when I die. That is not for any political agenda, simply because it makes me feel better about myself.

So lets just get on with the learning and let the buffs teach us? That is all I am interested in

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I went ahead and worked through it on my own, but I'm sure that I've forgotten some of it by now and there were some things that I had questions about. There's a lot of good information in that little book – I could sure use the review and would definitely like to give it another go.

I downloaded it just now, but I'm not getting any audio when I click on the words. Do you know how I can fix this?

It helped me personally to read through the beginning part, but that's probably not true for everyone. As stated in the book, those rules aren't meant to be memorised, but I think it helps to at least have a look at them.