Other dialects? Which dialects, I wonder?

Connacht = /o:rɑ:N/
Munster = /ɑvә'rɑ:n/

(I think Modern Irish (Ó Siadhail) mentions /o:/ as generally applying to abh, but amhrán being an exception. )


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Well, maybe there is some other words that have /au/ in other dialects but /o:/ up north? My Irish vocabulary is tiny


Aha. That explains things.

Probably in words with -abh(a)-... labhair is /laur'/ or /Laur'/ in C and M, but /Lo:r'/ (Gaoth Dobhair /Lo:j/) in Ulster, for instance.

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Now I am using Nancy Stenson's book Basic Irish. In it she says that vowels followed by "n" are pronounced long, unless the "n" is then followed by another noun.

In an exercise, she gives a bunch of words and asks the reader to identify long vowels. In the word min, I marked the "i" as long. The answer key says it's short. Am I wrong, or is the answer key wrong?

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That sounds odd, but I looked at the Basic Irish book and that's what she says.


This rule only applies to single-syllable words ending in rr and rd (in all/most??? dialects), as well as nn and ll and m (in some dialects). I don't think she explained the rule very well, and I don't think a single n should be included in this list at all.

Anyway, even if there is a dialect where n causes a long vowel, min would be a bad examples since:

Min (short i) means flour
Mín (long i) means smooth or level

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I agreee with you, after a single n, vowels aren't long except if there's a síneadh fada on them etc.
Btw, the rule she gives is right for Connemara and Kerry, I think, but not for Ulster, where vowels aren't long nor diphthongized before nn, ll, and m. Normally they are long before rr and rd though.

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I was posting very late last night and I missed two of the examples that Basic Irish gives: tinte and timpiste. Those words do have a long i in Connemara, and Nancy Stenson says in the book that the pronunciation she uses is based on the Connemara dialect.

But when she tried to come up with a rule to show that tinte and timpiste have a long i, she forgot about literally thousands of words that don't have a long vowel before n, m etc. Min would be just one of many examples.

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If the vowel is long in these words, it's because the n is in a cluster: nt has a strong n (double n) in phonology,, and vowels aren't always pronounced the same before strong/double and weak/single n.

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Redwolf

Thanks, Redwolf. Sorted.

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Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).