Gaelic Clan Title

Táim · **Joined:** Wed 26 Jan 2022 5:16 pm **Posts:** 14

I would love to know the true history of all these words they would be very revealing as to our true origins, many researchers see the human race were / are a slave race to the Anunnaki, gold miners. Names and words can reveal far more about our true history than digging up the ground in search of artifacts.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion ... eda-003014

https://cogniarchae.com/2020/04/25/pers ... o-danaans/

Tuatha Dé Danann - the people of the god Danú or Tuatha Dé Anu - the people of the god Anu.

I need the Title - Cathal Chlann na nDéiseach to make the distinction that I am a descendant of the slave clan of Danú rather than Mr. Cathal Deasy which I bear no affiliation or the remotest desire to have upon my being in any way shape or form, so be it.

The 'Irish' language is corrupted anyway, did you write the following article?

https://corkirish.wordpress.com/why-cork-irish/

and this comment?

"Why Diarmuid Ó Sé thinks the Irish language is called “Gaeilge” I am not sure – that form is clearly derived from the old spelling Gaedhilge, which is the genitive. The base form should be Gaedhilg (Gaoluinn). Anyway, the book is great, but as you are in Kerry, are you making regular visits to the Gaedhealtacht?"

What is this 'Ireland'?

What is this 'Irish' language?

Who are the 'Irish'?

The island was given to the invaders under the condition it would be called after the previous inhabitants, Ériu was the chosen name which means Sovereignty not 'Ireland' which means nothing to the Gaels. The language is Gaedhilg not 'Irish' that's meaningless and the people are the Gaels not 'Irish', Irish again is a meaningless word or seafóid.

djwebb2021 wrote:

The "clan" thing is just wrong. The Irish surname Déiseach is just that - Wolfe (a famous compiler of a book on Irish surnames) wrote that Déiseach is a descriptive word that supplanted the original surname.

You could say: XX ó mhuintir Dhéiseach - this is not a surnname, but means "from the Deasy family".

It feels like few Irish people are interested in the language as such, and they are prepared to mangle it. Your surname is Déiseach, and nothing else. No ó, no mac, no clann, no anything, just Déiseach.

Déis meant "vassal, subject", and is likely to have referred to a certain social class in ancient Ireland. They would have had a surname once - presumably - it depends on the time period - but then it stuck that some of these were just called "the Vassal". And it became like a modern surname, Deasy. But was no "clan". In fact, these people were subject people, probably not much better than slaves.

Táim · **Joined:** Wed 26 Jan 2022 5:16 pm **Posts:** 14

Labhrás wrote:

Táim wrote:

I would still like to know what if I wanted to put the word 'Clann' into my name as a Title of Gaelic distinction from the English 'Mr' Title then does it have a séimhiú?

Which of the following is most correct...

Cathal O Chlann Déiseach
Cathal O Clann Déiseach
Cathal Chlann Déiseach
Cathal Clann Déiseach

or after your generous contribution which of the following...

Cathal Chlann na nDéiseach
Cathal Clann na nDéiseach

An Déiseach or Mac an Déisigh is the Irish equivalent of "Mr Deasey."

Of your versions, Cathal Chlann na nDéiseach is at least grammatically not totally wrong. Though it still doesn’t make much sense.

Go raibh míle maith agat.

djwebb2021 · **Joined:** Thu 27 May 2021 3:22 am **Posts:** 1758

The Anunnaki are Sumerian deities. Irish myths have nothing to do with ancient Sumer.

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The island was given to the invaders under the condition it would be called after the previous inhabitants, Ériu was the chosen name which means Sovereignty not 'Ireland' which means nothing to the Gaels. The language is Gaedhilg not 'Irish' that's meaningless and the people are the Gaels not 'Irish', Irish again is a meaningless word or seafóid.

You are entitled to your views, but the cod-etymology is not academically accepted. Ériu comes from the Proto-Indo-European *piHwerjon-, meaning "land of fat/abundance". Whether the goddess was named after the country or the country after the goddess - who knows? There are a number of other goddesses who also gave their name to the country, including Banba and Fótla (the sisters of Ériu), in mythology.

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The island was given to the invaders under the condition it would be called after the previous inhabitants

No - if there are myths to that effect - they are not attested history.

Yes, I did write the article "Why Cork Irish?"

You don't appear to have a genuine interest in the language. Your name is Cathal Déiseach. Anything other is not genuine or authentic.

You are not a descendant of the slave clan of Danu - who is not an attested person. You may be descended from an unfree class of people in mediaeval Ireland - and given the fact that centuries have past and genealogical lines of ancestry intersect, we may all be descended from the Déisi.

Táim · **Joined:** Wed 26 Jan 2022 5:16 pm **Posts:** 14

djwebb2021 wrote:

The Anunnaki are Sumerian deities. Irish myths have nothing to do with ancient Sumer.

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The island was given to the invaders under the condition it would be called after the previous inhabitants, Ériu was the chosen name which means Sovereignty not 'Ireland' which means nothing to the Gaels. The language is Gaedhilg not 'Irish' that's meaningless and the people are the Gaels not 'Irish', Irish again is a meaningless word or seafóid.

You are entitled to your views, but the cod-etymology is not academically accepted. Ériu comes from the Proto-Indo-European *piHwerjon-, meaning "land of fat/abundance". Whether the goddess was named after the country or the country after the goddess - who knows? There are a number of other goddesses who also gave their name to the country, including Banba and Fótla (the sisters of Ériu), in mythology.

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The island was given to the invaders under the condition it would be called after the previous inhabitants

No - if there are myths to that effect - they are not attested history.

Yes, I did write the article "Why Cork Irish?"

You don't appear to have a genuine interest in the language. Your name is Cathal Déiseach. Anything other is not genuine or authentic.

You are not a descendant of the slave clan of Danu - who is not an attested person. You may be descended from an unfree class of people in mediaeval Ireland - and given the fact that centuries have past and genealogical lines of ancestry intersect, we may all be descended from the Déisi.

Thats an excellent article but why do you call the language Irish?, its the equivlent of the French saying they speak Gibberish.

https://corkirish.wordpress.com/2010/05 ... la-cliste/

Thats also an excellent article.

Anyway my name is my property, my Tuistí / Creators / Parents gave it to me so its mine, the Mr. Title is alien to me, so I want a modern equivalent to say I'm from the Déisi slave Clan of this island rather than the Mr. Germanic slave Clan.

I learned an interesting thing recently, because the Gaelic language supersedes the English language on this island in all forms of law we can use our Gaelic name interchangeably lawfully, you don't need to change your anglicised name back to Gaelic via Deed Poll or 2 year proof of use, you just email cis.support@welfare.ie or 071 967 2549 and ask them to change your name to Gaelic and that's it the system will be updated to your Gaelic name, NDLS, revenue, education etc

Going slightly off topic the similarities between Vedic culture and language to what was on this island is remarkable...

Ogham / Om

Its fascinating that Sanskrit came from bird song.

Altar of Fire documentary full

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvkYk7GvJ0

It’s amazing the Sattvic culture that once flourished here on this island in tune with nature, so in tune with nature their language based on Ogham each letter a tree and the Sattvic culture in India where Sanskrit is based on the Aum / Om is based on bird song, it’s the same thing ancient tribal cultures living in absolute harmony with nature, these cultures are a reflection of nature.

Learning Sanskrit: Stephen Thompson introduces the Sanskrit alphabet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbVctUPUx8

Have you learned about the concepts Sattva, Rajas and Tamas? until the West understands these concepts nothing will change, the saying ‘you are what you eat’ is the truth and the Wests addiction of eating scavengers like pigs, seafood etc, drinking water laced with Tamasic poisonous heavy metals aka fluoride and food grown with Tamasic antibiotic poisons aka insecticides and Tamasic poisonous fertilizers aka NPK and breathing air laced with aluminium aerosols nothing can change we are just going round in circles, those concepts explain why everything is so messed up and unnatural.

Chemical Farming & The Loss of Human Health - Dr. Zach Bush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw16LPVnNco

Táim · **Joined:** Wed 26 Jan 2022 5:16 pm **Posts:** 14

Caoilte wrote:

Déiseach is an interesting surname in that it is one of the few adjectival surnames in the Irish language. Some others are Cinnsealach and Breathnach. I think there are a few others again that don't end in "ach".

It's also unusual in that it's one of the few Irish toponymic surnames. The vast majority of indigenous surnames are patronymic. But as Djwebb indicated, it was possibly originally appended to a patronymic surname, with the patronymic component eventually being dropped.

Personally, I think giving your name as something like "Cathal Chlann na nDéiseach" comes across as fanciful and contrived and there is no historical basis for it. If your surname is Déiseach, then that should be sufficient. "Cathal Chlann na nDéiseach" has shades of "John of the family Smith" See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_o ... nd#Beliefs.

Can you expand on this, I would like to know more.

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