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PostPosted: Sun 16 Oct 2016 10:37 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
"Is é rud..." is a set phrase, it wouldn't work with another noun.

No, you can omit the article with other nouns as well.
Féach:
GGBC wrote:
7.16 Is féidir an t-alt a ligean ar lár in abairtí copaileacha den sórt seo a leanas ina bhfuil
clásal ag cáiliú an ainmfhocail:
Is í aidhm atá ag Studia Hibernica …
Is í bean (an bhean) í is éagsúla dár bhuail umam riamh.
Is é [an] rud a rinne sé an bhó a bhleán.
Is é [an] rud a bhí sé ina chodladh.


AFAIR, some older grammars (e.g. O’Nolan) demand this kind of omission.


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016 11:50 am 
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franc 91 wrote:
David Webb has suggested to me, among other possibilities - Is é rud gur mhaith linn 'fhios a bheith againn. He says - you don't need "an rud" where the relative later defines it; rud is sufficient.
I must admit that I didn't know that.


I'd say that means "What we want/would like is to know." (even possibly an emphatic form of "We want/would like to know."). It doesn't mean "That's what we want/would like to know". Do you see the difference?

What other possibilities did Dave have to offer?


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016 12:55 pm 
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I'll quote him in full, if you like -

You can say: is é rud gur mhaith linn 'fhios a bheith againn.

But normally wanting to know something implies finding it out (is é rud gur mhaith liom a dh'fháil amach).

Is é rud gur mhaith liom eólas a bheith agam air.

Note: you don't need "an rud" where the relative later defines it; rud is sufficient.

Is rud é seo gur mhaith linn 'fhios a bheith againn, agus sin é cúis 'n-a ndeinimíd ár ndícheall a dh'fháil amach ar shlí éigint.

Voilà
If it's more usual or natural to say - that's what we what to find out - in Irish in this context, rather than - that's what we want to know, so be it. It was just that I thought it rather strange that the equivalent phrase of - that's what we want to know - couldn't be expressed in Irish.


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016 2:08 pm 
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Haven't time to respond properly just now. from my previous post I repeat:do you see the difference?


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016 2:51 pm 
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Yes of course.


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016 5:09 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
You can say: is é rud gur mhaith linn 'fhios a bheith againn.


"What we want is to know (it)."

franc 91 wrote:
But normally wanting to know something implies finding it out (is é rud gur mhaith liom a dh'fháil amach).


"What I want is to find it out."

franc 91 wrote:
Is rud é seo gur mhaith linn 'fhios a bheith againn


"This is something that we want (we’d like) to know."


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PostPosted: Fri 21 Oct 2016 2:11 pm 
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Go raibh maith agaibh


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