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Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 3001

Errigal wrote:

franc 91 wrote:

Here another expression - san tráth den tsaoghal - literally - in the time of the life - but what does it mean here? I can understand the rest of the sentence.

Síodh-thalamh ab eadh an cnoc san tráth den tsaoghal (tsaol), agus is mó oidhche (oíche) bhreágh (breá) spéir-ghealaighe a chaith an sluagh sidhe ag rinnce is ag aoibhneas dóibh féin ann.

Franc, 'san' here is not 'in the' but the Munster version of 'sin', and goes with 'an cnoc' - 'that hill/mountain'.

The expression is 'tráth den tsaol' - 'at one time', as well as Bríd's version.

I didn't know that either. That changes the meaning a bit alright.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Thu 22 Oct 2015 7:23 pm

So I think in French that would be - jadis ?

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Jadis = fadó, fad ó shoin...

I understand "tráth don tsaol" as "à une certaine époque", "il fut un temps"...

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

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Síodh-thalamh ab eadh an cnoc san tráth den tsaoghal (tsaol), agus is mó oidhche (oíche) bhreágh (breá) spéir-ghealaighe a chaith an sluagh sidhe ag rinnce is ag aoibhneas dóibh féin ann.

My take:

That hill was a fairy ground at one time, and the fairy folk spent many a fine starry night dancing and merry-making to themselves there.

A slightly more Hiberno-English translation:

A fairy ground was that hill at a time and it's many a fine starry night the fairy folk spent there dancing and merry-making to themselves.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Fri 23 Oct 2015 7:52 am

Go raibh maith agaibh.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Sat 24 Oct 2015 10:49 am

Is - i gcionn - the same as - i gceann ? - ie at the end (of that time)

I gcionn na haimsire do ghlac duine áirithe seilbh an chnuic.

Errigal · **Joined:** Fri 09 Sep 2011 2:06 pm **Posts:** 716

franc 91 wrote:

Is - i gcionn - the same as - i gceann ? - ie at the end (of that time)

I gcionn na haimsire do ghlac duine áirithe seilbh an chnuic.

Yes: (g)cionn is the dative.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Tue 27 Oct 2015 3:42 pm

I understand this but I imagine that - na ba - is there at the end to underline the meaning, so I'm not quite sure how you would translate it.

Ba mhór an céasadh don tsluaigh aerach na ba ....

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

The cows were a great worry/agony to sheparding people.

Again I colloquially translate it as:

It's a great worry the cows were to the sheparding crowd.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Wed 28 Oct 2015 9:35 am

I rather think that the word - aerach - is referring to the Fairy Folk - they're the ones who are being bothered by the cattle trampling and tearing up the lawn they used to dance on. (If you're interested, I could send you a copy of the storybook)

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