The broad t is also velarised as well...you won't be able to show that either

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Many Irish people pronounce the 'th' in thaw as pretty much the same as the broad 't' in tá. Where as other Irish people pronounce it as the fricitive softer 'th' sound. So it can be confusing when talking to other Irish people.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Yeah but they don't do it good and thick and velarized.

Just how I like it :;

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Up until now I hadn't the slightest idea of what velarised meant, but I've had a look at Wikipedia only to be confronted by some rather distateful pictures of people opening their mouths and showing whether they still have their tonsils in place. Apparently when you touch your soft velar with the tip of your tongue, it's somewhere back in the roof of your mouth (I've tried it but...) The hard velar would be the arching part of the mouth roof just behind your front teeth - I tried touching that as well and it's .. a bit more comfortable, shall we say.
I remember giving this answer to Redwolf a long time ago at the other place - I tell non-French speakers who are getting to grips with French pronunciation (if you see what I mean) that the French 't' is a 't' that's ashamed of itself and is trying to become a 'd'. But I'm still not at all sure that would be broad or slender. If touching your soft velar with the tip of your tongue were part of French pronunciation, it would probably be considered erotic, but as it's Irish, it might not, just slender. Sin é.

I don't think there is too much erotic about velarisation, lol, but if you want to get it, for what would be written as /t/, /d/, /L/ and /N/ (and I suppose s and r too too), you just have to take in a bit of water but instead of swallowing told it up on your tongue without letting it out. That's the tongue position that you'll need to make any of the above sounds, especially the first four.

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I've posted this before, but if anyone's interested, here is my quick guide to how to pronounce Irish sounds

Labial sounds
Broad
b, p, m, f, w/bi-labial fricative -lip-round, especially before í

Slender
b', p', m', f', w'/bi-labial fricative -lip-purse(draw back and touch lips (no teeth). Y-glide before á (but not /ae/), ó and ú (beo, feoil, meon etc)

Coronal sounds
Broad
t, d, s, z, L, N, -take in water, but don't swallow and hold and don't spill (tongue fans out and dips to hold water while back of tongue is raised). L or N are the easiest to do this with

Slender
t', d', s', z', L', N', dh/gh -the tongue shape for 'y' in yes + the relevant sound

Alveolar sounds
Broad
l, n, r -English dark l as in 'ball', dark n in 'bawn'. For the r tap the tip of the tongue like in Spanish 'pero'. Conemara r is velarised too

Slender
l', n', r' -English light l as in 'pill', light n in 'pin'. For the r, practice with the sequence pill, pin, pir where the r is tapped but darted and 'dragged' a bit a 'j'

Palette-al and Velar sounds
Broad
k, g, ng -open one's mouth wide as if breathing into one's hand and breath out a 'h' continuously then interrupt by making the target sound

Fricatives
kh, gh - as above but for kh constrict the flow and for gh voice the prior (French R in a pinch)

Slender
k', g', ng' -'y' in yes + target or c in 'cue' or g in General American 'figure' and English 'sing'

Fricatives
kh', gh' -'h' in human for many people. If that doesn't work breath out continuously and constrict by making a 'y' sound till you get it. 'gh' is like 'y'

Throat sound
h

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This really is an issue when writing out phonetics for other people. Even without taking into consideration the sounds that one language has and the other hasn't, our own dialects of English really influence how we interpret these things.

There are issues with vowel sounds too...in my dialect of English, there's no distinction between "aw" and "ah," but in parts of the U.S. they're pronounced very differently.

Redwolf

Indeed, as there are people who use velarised sounds for 'pill' and 'pin'.

'Million' and 'minion' are better bets for /L'/ and /N'/ tho.

Direct tutoring is probably what many people would need

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In parts of America they pronounce "Mary, marry, merry" the same. That must be confusing.

Thus they celebrate 'Mary Christmas'. Mary is also there when everyone's drunk and at weddings.

Vowel shifting is how you end up with divers going into the 'hole of the fairy' (hull of the ferry) as I heard on the BBC last April

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