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PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 4:04 pm 
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Personally I would say "madraí uisce". We do use the R in the plural. As for the hyphen, I don't know.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 4:44 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Personally I would say "madraí uisce". We do use the R in the plural. As for the hyphen, I don't know.

That's interesting! So you have Mada, Madraí. That seems to happen a lot in Irish, the singular changes, but the plural stays the same.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 5:28 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
That's interesting! So you have Mada, Madraí. That seems to happen a lot in Irish, the singular changes, but the plural stays the same.


I'm thinking that madadh was the original word, and that the -raidhe ending (in the old spelling) is essentially the same collective plural ending in gasra, iníonra and similar words for a pack of dogs, and that in Munster the r has "infected" the singular?


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 5:57 pm 
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Apparently both are in Middle Irish: Matad and Madrad. However Old Irish only had Matad (which became Mada), so Conamara has the original word and Madra developed sometime between 10th-12th centuries.

In Classical Irish Madra had Madrae as the genitive, which was pronounced exactly the same but took seo/sin instead of so/san.

The plural was also Madrae, but some writers trying to be old-fashioned wrote Madradha in an attempt to guess the Middle Irish form.

Only Madra and Giolla had this type of genitive (Madrae, Giollae) in Classical Irish. Also in Classical Irish you were allowed use Mada or Madra.

EDIT: References: Damian MacManus' essay in Stair na Gaeilge, 4.13. Also the Irish grammatical tracts, section 80.

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