Daithí, if you want to learn Munster Irish, why don't you get Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne by Diarmuid Ó Sé? It is the most comprehensive treatment, and very authoritative.

1. Tarraing is tairrig in Corca Dhuibhne, as that book shows.
2. Déarfaidh tú is fine for Munster Irish. The future forms déarfad and déarfair are rivalled by déarfaidh mé and déarfaidh tú in Munster, and and in fact those forms may be more frequent.
3. Bíonn siad - well bíd is better. Bíd siad is an older form - it'd be interesting to see if anyone still said it.

Gaschaint is not a source of scholarly information on Munster Irish.

Id love to get it, but one it has no audio with it and two i already have,
Gaschaint, An Teabga bheo corca Dhuibhne and Oileán Chléire, O bhéal an bhab, book of irish proverbs ,ÓDónaills dictionary ,Buntús Cainte 1,2 &3 , Gaeilge gan stró 1, 2 & 3, Bunchúrsa foghraíochta, a Thig ná tit orm, An Leabhar Mór Bhriathra, , Teach yourself Irish (both versions) , Irish grammer , Gaeilge agus failte and a rake of kids books.

If i bought another one my partner would most likely place them all in a sack and beat me to a bloody pulp

I think it best if i work away on what i have for now. If there was audio for Ó Sé i would certainly get it, im not great at reading words i haven't seen and correctly pronouncing them , or if i have seen them i pronounce them like i learnt in school, badly.

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Phonetic transcription is given for all words and sentences in Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne. Most of those books you mentioned can be junked - they're about the Caighdeán Oifigiúil, or at least most of them are. Basically GCD is the main book you need for Munster Irish.

Look at the books you have:

1. Gaschaint - book of sentences to talk to your children in 3 dialects, but not the real dialect
2. An Teanga Bheo CD - non-comprehensive book, without phonetic transcription. It is about 5% of the size of Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne
3. An Teanga Bheo Chléire - non-comprehensive book, without phonetic transcription. You can glean the odd word from it.
4. Ó Bhéal an Bhab - yes, a book and audio worth having
5. Book of Irish Proverbs - usually a reference for the odd occasion you need a proverb, but not a learning book.
6. Ó Dónaill's dictionary - essential, but mainly not Munster Irish.
7. Buntús Cainte 1, 2 and 3 - in the CO, with no grammatical explanations.
8. Bunchúrsa foghraíochta - I haven't got it. I suppose if it's about Munster Irish and is authentic it's good.
9. A Thig Ná Tit Orm - worth having.
10. An Leabhar Mór Bhriathra - not just about Munster Irish, and the forms quoted in there may not be the correct forms, or not the full deep dialectal forms.
11. TYI new version - not worth having - all about the CO.
12. TYI old version - worth having, but not well laid out.
13. Irish grammar book - probably by the Christian Brothers and not on Gaeltacht Irish.
14. Gaeilge agus fáilte - I don't know this book.
15. Kid's books - probably in fake CO Irish.

You've spent a lot of money on a lot of useless books. This is part of the reason why I look askance on Foras na Gaeilge and their output - they are constantly leading people towards a made-up form of the language. The official Irish language movement have actually induced you to waste your money.

The books worth having are:
1. Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne
2. An Ghaeilge -a polish language textbook of Kerry Irish.
3. TYI - old version.
4. The Irish of West Muskerry
5. Cnósach Focal ó Bhaile Bhúirne and similar books for Ballinskelligs and CD.
6. Ó Bhéal an Bhab with CD.
7. Labharfad le Cách by Peig Sayers, with CD.
8. Eachtra Phinocchio
9. Scéal mo Bheatha Dónall Bán Ó Céileachair
10. Anything with Amhlaoibh Ó Loingsigh
11. Anything by the Blasket authors - An tOileánach, Fiche Blian ag Fás, Peig, etc
12. Dinneen's dictionary

I'm afraid Irish is a very book-intensive language if you want to learn the real dialects.

Id agree with you a lot of the books i got were in CO . in the case of Buntús Cainte I was informed by the shopkeeper they were in Munster Irish, When i got home and opened the plastic wrap they didnt look much like Munster Irish to me, even with my limited Irish.

Some of the kids books were full of áil words, like splasháil etc. But some of them are very good and come with CD's done by native speakers. such as Scéilín o Bhéilín, Rabhlaí Rabhlaí and Tdlí edlí ero.

I couldnt find a modern, easily understood book on Gaeltacht grammar.

The problem i have with the Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne book is that you require a good level of Irish to read it and knowledge of the phonetic alphabet. Kind of defeats the purpose, going off and learning Irish and then re learning it again.

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One thing you could do is to flog your CO things on ebay and then use the money to buy GCD. As for GCD being all in (CO) Irish... Well, I am a great supporter of learning books in English. But when you mention to some of these people in the universities and Foras na Gaeilge etc how these things should not be all in Irish, they often get annoyed and start saying that everything should be all in Irish, to make a political point, no matter how useless for the learner. Some of these dialectal books have an Irish-Irish glossary at the back. It kind of strikes you dumb when you see it - wouldn't it be better to have an Irish-English glossary at the back, so that the learner - the only type of person who will need to consult the glossary - doesn't then have to look up further words to read the Irish-Irish definition... I would go about things very differently, but I have to use the books that these people provide. Stair na Gaeilge - another good book is also - pointlessly - all in Irish - all in CO Irish - so that anyone who wants to read all about Munster Irish - can't, not unless he is already fluent in the CO. Do you spot the pattern?

so basically they want you to learn the CO before you tackle any dialect? I find i have to relearn the pronunciation of I learned in School. Even though ive tried learn the new dialect version, i often fall back on the incorrect pronunciation i have from school as that's what i would have used for years , so its ingrained somewhat.

Surely the first way you learn something is the one your most likely to use and fall back on.

Luckily my Irish on leaving School would have been weak, so there are large gaps in my knowledge , which when i encounter them now i tend to learn a pronunciation which is much closer to the correct version , than the English based pronunciation from school.

Selling the books i don't use is a good idea.


Pity there isint a learners book, which uses the same system, but you could get different dialect versions.

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Well, all the people in the Irish language establishment would just tell you you should learn the CO = that's what they've devised it for. So they're not intending to provide resources for you to learn any specific dialect. What they would tell you is that you should learn the CO, and then dip into dialectal literature, and just "recognise it when you see it" - not try to speak like that yourself.

But in a way, there is pressure on people like Foras na Gaeilge to be more receptive to traditional Irish. Whereas once Foclóir Póca was produced with an artificial pronunciation shown for all words, including ones like [i]gloine [/i ]/glonʹi/, not used anywhere, now they're making websites like http://breis.focloir.ie/ga/fuaim/ with words pronounced in 3 dialects. This comes purely as a result of pressure from learners for resources that cover real Irish.