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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2013 7:50 pm 
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Thanks for the input! These phrases came from a book called "English as We Speak It in Ireland," which was written in 1910 by a P.W. Joyce from Limerick/Cork. So perhaps they are so old that they're not used anymore. I'm very careful to ensure what I'm writing is accurate, though, so thank you for the input; I'd rather remove questionable dialect than [i]hope[i] it's correct.

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It's also possible they're regional. You asked for input from Connemara (Connacht) speakers, but the author of that book is from Munster.

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ChristyD wrote:
Thanks for the input! These phrases came from a book called "English as We Speak It in Ireland," which was written in 1910 by a P.W. Joyce from Limerick/Cork. So perhaps they are so old that they're not used anymore. I'm very careful to ensure what I'm writing is accurate, though, so thank you for the input; I'd rather remove questionable dialect than [i]hope[i] it's correct.

Thanks again!

Christy


It's also possible they're regional. You asked for input from Connemara (Connacht) speakers, but the author of that book is from Munster.

Redwolf


Exactly! That's why the input is so necessary. Joyce lists words and phrases from various counties and regions, but none from Connemara (wish there was a book on Connemara words/phrases from the same time period--although it sounds like most of the people were monolingual Irish speakers at the time).


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ChristyD wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
ChristyD wrote:
Thanks for the input! These phrases came from a book called "English as We Speak It in Ireland," which was written in 1910 by a P.W. Joyce from Limerick/Cork. So perhaps they are so old that they're not used anymore. I'm very careful to ensure what I'm writing is accurate, though, so thank you for the input; I'd rather remove questionable dialect than [i]hope[i] it's correct.

Thanks again!

Christy


It's also possible they're regional. You asked for input from Connemara (Connacht) speakers, but the author of that book is from Munster.

Redwolf


Exactly! That's why the input is so necessary. Joyce lists words and phrases from various counties and regions, but none from Connemara (wish there was a book on Connemara words/phrases from the same time period--although it sounds like most of the people were monolingual Irish speakers at the time).


By 1910, I'd say that most of the people would have been either English speakers or bi-lingual. There would have still been some monoglot Irish speakers, probably, in more isolated areas. The Famine and the national school system really did a number on the language.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2013 11:10 pm 
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There's a list of dog commands in this thread from a while back:
http://irishlearner.awyr.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=606&hilit=+dog

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Mar 2013 11:52 pm 
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Actually, native Irish speakers in Connemara speak English to their dogs and to the donkey its a strange fact but its true.


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Mar 2013 12:43 pm 
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Actually, native Irish speakers in Connemara speak English to their dogs and to the donkey its a strange fact but its true.

Not that they think the English are mongrels or asses or anything. :winkgrin:

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Mar 2013 4:14 pm 
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:LOL:

No one knows the actual reason some think it could be a slur and disrespect for the English language like its not worth talking to English but only to dogs, some others say because they reckon dogs wouldn't understand Irish which isn't true because dogs understand depending on your tune.

I asked someone from Tory island and they do speak Irish to their dogs I don't know about Kerry.


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I seem to remember someone saying either here or more probably at the other place, that in the West of Ireland they would get their dogs used to hearing and responding to commands in English as it was a advantage when it came to selling the dog.
I've had a friend tell me, who lives near the border to Switzerland (I'll be going over there next week) that they bought a male labrador that only understood orders in Swiss French and that she had to go to Switzerland with the dog for a short training course in order to have any kind of control over him.


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Breandán wrote:
Benjamin wrote:
Actually, native Irish speakers in Connemara speak English to their dogs and to the donkey its a strange fact but its true.

Not that they think the English are mongrels or asses or anything. :winkgrin:

:) This character speaks Irish to his dog. So how would you call a dog in Connemara Irish?


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Goille!


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