"How am I going to?"

AnBraonach · **Joined:** Sat 22 Sep 2012 5:40 pm **Posts:** 157

SeanBeag wrote:

AnBraonach wrote:

CaoimhínSF wrote:

I assume you meant to say these, right?

Goidé an dóigh a bhfuil mé in ann a bheith ag obair faoi na coingheallacha seo? (GU)

Cad é an dóigh a bhfuil mé in ann a bheith ag obair faoi na coinníollacha seo? (CO)

Hi Caoimhín,

Nope! I meant what I wrote. In ainm a bheith can have the meaning 'supposed to be', so it's appropriate for translating the original phrase. In ann means 'able to', so it wouldn't be a very faithful translation of the original English.

"How am I supposed to work under these conditions?"
Goidé an dóigh a bhfuil mé in ainm a bheith ag obair faoi na coingheallacha seo? (GU)
Cad é an dóigh a bhfuil mé in ainm a bheith ag obair faoi na coinníollacha seo? (CO)

Slán,

Domhnall

I was about to stick up for you on this one actually :P But do you not have to shove the copula in there to make it "in ainm is a bheith"? It's not a construction I come across much but I thought your had to put the copula in.

Hi Seán,

You can also say in ainm is a bheith, indeed. But the is is optional in my experience, both orally and in writing. Be careful though - it's not the copula. It's an abbreviation of agus.

e.g. In ainm agus a bheith would be possible too. Agus has many functions in Irish, more than the simple connecting of words or clauses.

Slán,

Domhnall

P.S. in Ulster, it's generally used without is: i n-ainm a bheith...

SeanBeag · **Joined:** Sat 18 Aug 2012 9:06 am **Posts:** 21

Ahhh go raibh maith agat. "Agus" makes more sense come to think of it, sort of similar to "Chomh hard agus a bhí sé" and the like.
grma!

CaoimhínSF · **Joined:** Sun 04 Sep 2011 11:02 pm **Posts:** 1581

Quote:

Nope! I meant what I wrote. In ainm a bheith can have the meaning 'supposed to be', so it's appropriate for translating the original phrase. In ann means 'able to', so it wouldn't be a very faithful translation of the original English.

I see. It's an expression I'd never seen before.

Actually, though, a translation of it with in ann would not appear to be unfaithful, at least from the point of view of North American English. The Irish in ann a bheith ag ___ really means "[able/in a position] to be __ing", and there is only a nuanced difference here between "how am i to be in a position to ..." and "how am i supposed to ...".

AnBraonach · **Joined:** Sat 22 Sep 2012 5:40 pm **Posts:** 157

CaoimhínSF wrote:

Quote:

Nope! I meant what I wrote. In ainm a bheith can have the meaning 'supposed to be', so it's appropriate for translating the original phrase. In ann means 'able to', so it wouldn't be a very faithful translation of the original English.

I see. It's an expression I'd never seen before.

Actually, though, a translation of it with in ann would not appear to be unfaithful, at least from the point of view of North American English. The Irish in ann a bheith ag ___ really means "[able/in a position] to be __ing", and there is only a nuanced difference here between "how am i to be in a position to ..." and "how am i supposed to ...".

Hi Caoimhín,

I'm not really sure what you mean with the reference to 'North Amercian English', but to my mind, the use of in ann doesn't amount to an accurate translation in this case.

Cheers,

Domhnall

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 3001

"in ainm (is) a bheith" - I've heard that.

In Conamara we also say "ceap" for "suppose".

Cé chaoi 'bhfuil mé ceapaithe é seo a dhéanamh?
How am I supposed to do this?

"in ann" is "able to", but I think it could mean "suppose" in the right context.
The same applies with "féidir". Cé/n chaoi 'féidir liom...? How am I able/supposed to....?

Even within the one dialect there is more than one way to say it correctly.

AnBraonach · **Joined:** Sat 22 Sep 2012 5:40 pm **Posts:** 157

Bríd Mhór wrote:

"in ainm (is) a bheith" - I've heard that.

In Conamara we also say "ceap" for "suppose".

Cé chaoi 'bhfuil mé ceapaithe é seo a dhéanamh?
How am I supposed to do this?

"in ann" is "able to", but I think it could mean "suppose" in the right context.
The same applies with "féidir". Cé/n chaoi 'féidir liom...? How am I able/supposed to....?

Even within the one dialect there is more than one way to say it correctly.

Cheers for that. I've heard ceap used for 'suppose' before, just not in Ulster, I suppose. In ann is never used in Ulster Irish, in any context as far as I know.

I take it back, Caoimhín! In ann doesn't work as part of my original Ulster phrase, but it could work...

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

SeanBeag wrote:

Hi there guys,
I'm just wondering whether it's possible to translate "How am I going to...?" as in...

"How am I going to survive without my hair straighteners?"
"How am I supposed to work under these conditions?"

That kind of phrase, y'know what I mean? I appreciate it might not be idiomatic to have a direct translation, I just couldn't think how to even start translating that kind of phrase.
Go raibh míle maith agaibh!
Seán Beag

Conas gur féidir liom "x" a dhéanamh.

Saoirse · **Posted:** Tue 05 Mar 2013 7:53 pm

Rossaí wrote:

Conas gur féidir liom "x" a dhéanamh.

Nó sa chaighdeán: Conas gur féidir liom "y" a dhéanamh? :twisted:

Gumbi · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 8:09 pm **Posts:** 943

Saoirse wrote:

Rossaí wrote:

Conas gur féidir liom "x" a dhéanamh.

Nó sa chaighdeán: Conas gur féidir liom "y" a dhéanamh? :twisted:

Hahahaha

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Idir an bheirt agaibh a Shaoirse agus a Ghumbi tá mianach an chaighdeáin sortálta agaibh.....AIRE..."sortálta"...Gaoluinn Chorcaí

Ceist: an é thusa a Ghumbi a thá a' scríobh sa Ghaoluinn bhreá chlasiceach a bhí ag Céitinn? Úsáidim mé fhéin an lag thuiseal tabharthach mar ainmneach iolra.....mnáibh, fearaibh srl. Is rian brea é fós i steilleabheathaidh sa dúiche seo. An ea gur duine óg thú?

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