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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jan 2013 12:32 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
One can listen to the pronunciatio by clicking on C M or U after the translations of the words.
But this is a bit strange because I checked "teach", and for Munster, they pronounce "tigh", as if "tigh" were the Munster pronunciation of "teach"... while it's a different form (tigh is the old dative). They should have written "tigh"...

Same thing with "dog", they write "madra" and the Ulster speaker says "madadh"...
They want nobody to be able to write in his/her dialect...? sigh

I searched for "Irish", no pronunciations or variants.
For the sentence:
they're speaking Irish tá siad ag labhairt na Gaeilge, tá siad ag labhairt as Gaeilge, tá siad ag labhairt i nGaeilge

they don't give the very common "tá siad ag labhairt Gaeilge"...
And who says "tá siad ag labhairt as Gaeilge"? Munster people say "táid (siad) ag labhairt as Gaelainn"...

D'fhan muid ar feadh an oiread sin bliadhantach le foclóir mar sin? Bhí mé ag dúil le foclóir i bhfad níos feárr agus i bhfad níos cuimsithighe ná sin... :(

Another piece of evidence that the government and Forás na Gaeilge don't care about Gaeltacht Irish.

Maybe it would help if we all wrote to them and told them to fix this. Now might be a good time to let them know, because they're still setting everything up.

I'll send them an e-mail to-day. :computer:


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jan 2013 2:53 am 
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Good idea. But if they didn't do that before, it may be because they don't care about writing dialects, and if they don't care, they won't care about our requests either :rolleyes:
But let's try anyway.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 4:57 pm 
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On the subject of madra again - The Munster pronounciation sounds quite like mod-i-reh. Is this right? (leaving aside the inaccuracy of my phonetics).

One other thing of note - this new dictionary does not include the new CO changes, for practical reasons such as avoiding a further delay to publication and also because the new CO will be reviewed in 3 years' time. Seems odd though to have a new standard which is ignored by a subsequent official dictionary for any reason. At the very least, they could have worked on and published the new CO earlier (or perhaps later!) as they knew full well that the dictionary was going to be published.


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013 4:10 am 
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[quote="WeeFalorieMan"][quote="Lughaidh"]One can listen to the pronunciatio by clicking on C M or U after the translations of the words.
But this is a bit strange because I checked "teach", and for Munster, they pronounce "tigh", as if "tigh" were the Munster pronunciation of "teach"... while it's a different form (tigh is the old dative). They should have written "tigh"...

Same thing with "dog", they write "madra" and the Ulster speaker says "madadh"...
They want nobody to be able to write in his/her dialect...? sigh

I searched for "Irish", no pronunciations or variants.
For the sentence:
they're speaking Irish tá siad ag labhairt na Gaeilge, tá siad ag labhairt as Gaeilge, tá siad ag labhairt i nGaeilge

they don't give the very common "tá siad ag labhairt Gaeilge"...
And who says "tá siad ag labhairt as Gaeilge"? Munster people say "táid (siad) ag labhairt as Gaelainn"...

D'fhan muid ar feadh an oiread sin bliadhantach le foclóir mar sin? Bhí mé ag dúil le foclóir i bhfad níos feárr agus i bhfad níos cuimsithighe ná sin... :(

Another piece of evidence that the government and Forás na Gaeilge don't care about Gaeltacht Irish.[/quote]
Maybe it would help if we all wrote to them and told them to fix this. Now might be a good time to let them know, because they're still setting everything up.

I'll send them an e-mail to-day. :computer:[/quote]


Tá an suirbhé is deireannaí i nGaelscéal suimiúil.

An cheist -Ar cheart níos mó úsáid a bhaint as canúintí i scríbhneoireacht na Gaeilge?

Na Freagraí -
Ba cheart – sin an Ghaeilge cheart - 43%
Níor cheart – caighdeánú de dhíth - 19.3%
Tá meascán de dhíth - 24.4%
Tá sé níos casta ná sin! - 8.9%
Níl a fhios agam - 4.4%


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013 5:00 am 
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An cheist -Ar cheart níos mó úsáid a bhaint as canúintí i scríbhneoireacht na Gaeilge?

Na Freagraí -
Ba cheart – sin an Ghaeilge cheart - 43%
Níor cheart – caighdeánú de dhíth - 19.3%
Tá meascán de dhíth - 24.4%
Tá sé níos casta ná sin! - 8.9%
Níl a fhios agam - 4.4%


Tá sin a' cur áthais orm :toast:
Goidé mar a rinn siad an suirbhé sin?
Má shíleann a' chuid is mó do na Gaedhilgeóirí gur cheart níos mó úsáide a bhaint as na canamhaintí, is féidir go n-athróchaidh rud eighineacht fá dheireadh. Má éisteann an riaghaltas leóbhtha.
Goidé is ciall le "scríbhneoireacht" ins a' cheist? An leitridheacht (dántaí, úrsgéaltaí srl?) nó achan rud dá sgríobhtar agus dá bhfoillseóchthar i nGaedhilg?

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013 6:51 pm 
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This is not like any other dictionary I have encountered, but perhaps I have led a sheltered life! I looked up 'great' and came across this entry:

•to shite on sb from a great height, phrase under shite

If I had looked up 'shite' perhaps I would understand the idea of including such an expression. Will teachers be prepared to recommend this resource if 'harmless' entries include such language? Alternatively, it may make Irish 'cool' amongst uninterested teenagers?

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013 8:41 pm 
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They say that only 30% of material is currently online but that 80% of English search words are there. I'm finding that more than one in three of the fairly ordinary words I look up are not there. Perhaps the likes of 'branch' is too obscure a word!


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013 8:45 pm 
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Saoirse wrote:
This is not like any other dictionary I have encountered, but perhaps I have led a sheltered life! I looked up 'great' and came across this entry:

•to shite on sb from a great height, phrase under shite

If I had looked up 'shite' perhaps I would understand the idea of including such an expression. Will teachers be prepared to recommend this resource if 'harmless' entries include such language? Alternatively, it may make Irish 'cool' amongst uninterested teenagers?


Ah, but they also include
•to shit on sb from a great height, phrase under shit

They do try to cover all the dialects! ;)


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013 9:35 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
They say that only 30% of material is currently online but that 80% of English search words are there. I'm finding that more than one in three of the fairly ordinary words I look up are not there. Perhaps the likes of 'branch' is too obscure a word!


I think they say that 80 per cent of typical language usage is there, whatever that means. But there are only 7000 of an eventual 45000 headwords there so far, according to what I've read in the papers this week. I imagine these 7000 headwords constitute 30 per cent of overall material because they've done the complex entries - function words, modal verbs, that sort of thing. I have to say, I think it's an extraordinary piece of work. I like the way it can continually be added to from now on. It is a shame that regional spelling of certain words is missing, particularly those words that aren't incorporated into the sound files - tuigbheáil, for example. Maybe that'll change.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013 10:15 pm 
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AnBraonach wrote:
I have to say, I think it's an extraordinary piece of work. I like the way it can continually be added to from now on.
:yes:
Scooby wrote:
Ah, but they also include
•to shit on sb from a great height, phrase under shit

They do try to cover all the dialects!
:rofl:

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