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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013 5:41 pm 
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Trying to figure out if I have my tongue in the right place for making the R sounds.

For the Slender R like in Críonna, the tongue should go against the Hard pallet just behind the teeth ?

And For the Broad R like in Ramhar it should be back more towards the soft roof of your mouth ?

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013 6:12 pm 
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Being moderately technical there are three R sounds in Munster Irish.
(I assume from the verb thread you want the Munster sounds. Being completely technical
there are six R sounds, but two of them don't matter unless you plan to sing and the
fourth is more subtle and you don't need to know it at first.)

The broad r is basically a tap like in spanish, single quick contact between
your tongue and the alveolar ridge behind your teeth.

Slender R, between vowels, is close to the z-like sound in the English words
azure and vision.

Slender R next to a consonant is like the broad R sound, but with the front
of the tongue raised.

Try this page:
http://corkirish.wordpress.com/pronunciationintonation/
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Broad R
Slender R

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013 10:53 pm 
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The tongue is in the same part of the mouth for broad and slender r.

Broad r -is formed with the tip of the tongue on the hard palate
Slender r - is formed in the same part of the mouth, but it is not the tongue tip that forms is. The tongue lies flatter against the hard palate.


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug 2013 12:02 pm 
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Thats great, i think i sort of have it, half the time. or at least much closer than just a standard English R sound.

That Fuaimeanna na gaeilge is very handy , I could swear I can hear 4 r sounds on the Munster speaker files ?
Abair vs airgid on the Slender R sound files
Aonraic vs an t-údar on the broad R sound files ?

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug 2013 12:07 pm 
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I know it is very childish, but I just can't believe someone has not made a smart comment about the title of the thread! :twisted: I did not know what to expect before I read it. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug 2013 12:46 pm 
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Saoirse wrote:
I know it is very childish, but I just can't believe someone has not made a smart comment about the title of the thread! :twisted:


Níor ghéill mé don chathú. :D


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug 2013 2:20 pm 
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I clicked the thread to see the punchline! :winkgrin:

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Daithí, stick your tongue where the sun doesn't shine and you'll be OK


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2013 2:11 pm 
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patrickjwalsh wrote:
The tongue is in the same part of the mouth for broad and slender r.

Broad r -is formed with the tip of the tongue on the hard palate
Slender r - is formed in the same part of the mouth, but it is not the tongue tip that forms is. The tongue lies flatter against the hard palate.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, Patrick, but I'd say it's the opposite: Tongue tip against the palate for slender "r" and the middle of the tongue toward the palate for broad "r."

There's also that terminal slender "r" in Connacht, which makes a kind of buzzing "d/z" sound.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2013 1:40 am 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Being completely technical
there are six R sounds, but two of them don't matter unless you plan to sing and the
fourth is more subtle and you don't need to know it at first.)

I'd be interested in any information about those other R sounds if it wouldn't be too much trouble. And I'm well known for my attempted singing.

On a more serious note, herself says I could do with a few lessons on where to stick my tongue. :winkgrin:

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