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PostPosted: Wed 30 Apr 2014 11:35 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
(What Braoin has said also fits with what I stated above. To put it another way, urú only occurs after ar an in Connemara on words that don't start with d, n, t, l, or s.)


Is this arrangement (D, N, T, L, S) of the sounds intentional? Had someone explained this to me regarding point of articulation and DeNTaLS when I first started learning Irish, I would have smacked myself in the head.


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PostPosted: Thu 01 May 2014 12:08 am 
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RobertKaucher wrote:
Breandán wrote:
(What Braoin has said also fits with what I stated above. To put it another way, urú only occurs after ar an in Connemara on words that don't start with d, n, t, l, or s.)


Is this arrangement (D, N, T, L, S) of the sounds intentional? Had someone explained this to me regarding point of articulation and DeNTaLS when I first started learning Irish, I would have smacked myself in the head.

It is arbitrary, and a little misleading, but it is easy to remember. :dhera:

In Learning Irish, Mícheál Ó Siadhail merely says t and d resist lenition. In fact they resist both lenition _and_ eclipsis, especially after n (which he does say indirectly elsewhere).

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PostPosted: Thu 08 May 2014 2:19 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
I think ar an dturas is valid in some, if not all, Munster dialects. Perhaps An Lon Dubh can confirm or clarify?

Only saw this now, indeed, it is valid in all the Munster dialects, d and t are always eclipsed whenever the other letters would be.

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