nuala wrote:
I've been following this with interest.
'Learning Irish' says "a definite noun preceded by the verbal noun is in a genitive relation and therefore lenites names of people or places eg. ag moladh Cháit" ie genitive relation is not the same as the genitive form.
Other examples given: Tá sí ag pósadh fear óg - not a definite noun so no change
Bhí siad ag ól fíon agus ag imirt cluifi
Is this a regional difference maybe? I must say the possessive "a" in the original sentence is causing me confusion. This would turn 'dearthair' and 'bean' into definite nouns here, wouldn't it? And so they would be just lenited and not in the genitive form?
The actual rules on the ground are not really described in most grammar books. Historically (Classical Irish) the rules were quite simple:
1. ag + verbal noun + noun in genitive + adjective in genitive.
2. The noun was lenited if it was an indefinite or proper noun.
Today, the noun is pretty much never in the genitive if it is follows by an adjective. Also, only proper nouns are still lenited, indefinite ones are really only lenited in fixed phrases like
ag baint mhóna.
Most grammar books describe a system that is a blend of Classical rules and modern Gaeltacht usage, which usually looks somewhat inconsistent and confusing.
By the way
Cáit would be a proper noun and hence lenited. The phrases
a fear or
a bhean are definite, but not proper, so they wouldn't be lenited.
Finally, proper nouns are put in the genitive.
Cáit is actually the genitive of
Cáit.