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 Post subject: That pesky "f"
PostPosted: Thu 06 Feb 2014 5:45 pm 
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Is the "f" typically pronounced or silent in the second-person singular conditional? For example "déarfá"?

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 Post subject: Re: That pesky "f"
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Is the "f" typically pronounced or silent in the second-person singular conditional? For example "déarfá"?

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It is silent in Cois Fhairrge dialect, but pronounced like th in the rest of Connemara, i.e., as if spelt déarthá.

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 Post subject: Re: That pesky "f"
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Breandán wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
Is the "f" typically pronounced or silent in the second-person singular conditional? For example "déarfá"?

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It is silent in Cois Fhairrge dialect, but pronounced like th in the rest of Connemara, i.e., as if spelt déarthá.


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 Post subject: Re: That pesky "f"
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Same thing in Donegal :) [ˈdʲɛːɾha]

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 Post subject: Re: That pesky "f"
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That's interesting, it's pronounced in Munster /dʹiarfɑ:/.

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 Post subject: Re: That pesky "f"
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
That's interesting, it's pronounced in Munster /dʹiarfɑ:/.


Except in Ring where it is also /d'iarha:/

It also used to be a 'thá" or "theá" termination in Cork Irish for the imperfect subjunctive i.e. after dá. The modh coinníollach is used after "dá" usually today.

see dá nglánthá, http://corkirish.wordpress.com/verb-con ... n/glanaim/

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 Post subject: Re: That pesky "f"
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
An Lon Dubh wrote:
That's interesting, it's pronounced in Munster /dʹiarfɑ:/.


Except in Ring where it is also /d'iarha:/

It also used to be a 'thá" or "theá" termination in Cork Irish for the imperfect subjunctive i.e. after dá. The modh coinníollach is used after "dá" usually today.

see dá nglánthá, http://corkirish.wordpress.com/verb-con ... n/glanaim/

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Yes indeed, in traditional grammar:
Dá nglanthá do sheomra, thabharfá an t-airgead duit.

With the imperfect/past subjunctive in the conditional clause and the conditional in the main clause.
(Sorry Redwolf, you probably don't want more grammar!)

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