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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 12:32 am 
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Breandán wrote:
Although I agree with most people commenting here that standard Irish should be native-based and teachers should be encouraged to teach it and discouraged from _teaching_ Urban Irish, I also think it is important for everybody to be encouraged to _speak_ and _use_ whatever Irish they have got, Urban or otherwise.

True.

But encouraging them doesn't mean putting up with people whose Irish is just Irish words crowbarred into English idioms who'll proudly declare that their errors are "their dialect".

And it certainly doesn't mean encouraging people who can't pronounce CH to take roles in Ros na Rún!

I totally agree.

Critical assessment of incorrect sources and misplaced ideas that learners may inadvertantly emulate is very important, but at the same time we should be mindful of how we break the news to learners who are often simply victims of promulgators of those misplaced ideas.

Attacking the victims only helps widen the divide. I would prefer to build bridges to help people cross over from the dark side. :winkgrin:

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 12:08 pm 
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Well it's hard to break the news to people who are pig ignorant and pig headed. I mean, not understanding that one's Irish is not native is part of a bigger problem in a complex of fantasies that sustain people in Ireland (the IRA caused the Troubles and the Republic not warning off the British had nothing to do with it stretching out, the government is trying hard to fix the economy when clearly the Troika involvement was about protecting the Establishment, everyone is 'daysent' therefore challenging the status quo is shameful, people deserve free houses and jobs etc

I doubt you'll get very far trying to explain anything when it's part of a web of lies and falsities cemented together by unexamined emotional touch points and special interests

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