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Redwolf
 Post subject: Thar meon
PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012 3:53 pm 
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Hey all,

What does "thar meon" mean in the phrase below?:

"A chroí a ghráigh sliocht Ádhaimh thar meon"

I keep feeling I should recognize it, but I can't quite put my finger on it (and can't find it under either "thar" or "meon" in FGB).


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Gumbi
 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012 4:31 pm 
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Meon means something along the lines of "state of mind" "disposition" or "temperament". Thar meon, I assume, means "beyond mind" or "very very much". Thar is used to emphasise words in that way. So we have:

His heart that loved Adam's offspring [insert suitable English version here :D]
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 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012 4:38 pm 
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I haven't heard that term before.
I've heard "meon" alright, like in - meon na ndaoine.


What comes after it?

Where is it in the Bible?

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 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
I haven't heard that term before.
I've heard "meon" alright, like in - meon na ndaoine.


What comes after it?

Where is it in the Bible?



No idea...it was sent to me by a friend.

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 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012 5:07 pm 
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http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Lang=ga&Text=meon
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 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
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Scooby wrote:
http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Lang=ga&Text=meon


GRMA! Agus grma do Ghumbí fosta.
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 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
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If it means "more than average" as potafocal indicates, then I think it is really just a misspelling of thar meán "beyond measure, exceeding" (FGB).

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 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
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Breandán wrote:
If it means "more than average" as potafocal indicates, then I think it is really just a misspelling of thar meán "beyond measure, exceeding" (FGB).

Another example translate it as "inordinate".
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 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
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Breandán wrote:
If it means "more than average" as potafocal indicates, then I think it is really just a misspelling of thar meán "beyond measure, exceeding" (FGB).



...and FGB confirms that meon can be an alternate version of meán. It seems meán/mian/méin/meon are connected (depending on which meaning you pick).
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Redwolf
 Post subject: Re: Thar meon
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BTW, the quote is from the song "A Íosa Bháin." Here's the full verse (sadly, there's no punctuation in my copy):

A chroí a ghráigh sliocht Ádhaimh thar meon
I soilse an ghrá rug barr na nós
Do choríse fág le grá do m'short
Sa chroí seo im lár a Shlánaitheoir
Ó, a Shlánaitheoir.

This spelling is apparently what's in Abair Amhráin.

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