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Breandán · **Posted:** Wed 02 May 2012 9:37 pm

I think many of these are really dialectal differences:

go beo and scioptha are Connemara.

I don't think that go is required with scioptha. :?:

And sciobtha is the original spelling but the b is devoiced when followed by th.)

go gasta is more Ulster, I think.

Déan deabhadh would probably only be used in Munster.

(Notice that if Gumbi thinks something is "good", it is almost invariably a Munsterism?

Munster dialect is of course "good" - just not necessarily "the best". :LOL:

)

Connacht uses deifir for "hurry" and difríocht or difear for "difference".

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2623

scioptha - around here pronounced as "sciopí"

Breandán · **Posted:** Wed 02 May 2012 10:04 pm

Bríd Mhór wrote:

scioptha - around here pronounced as "sciopí"

So obvious I forgot to mention it. :facepalm:

The past participle/verbal adjective ending -tha is pronounced like -(u)í/i:/ (w)ee (with devoicing of the preceding consonant) in Connacht. :yes:

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2623

Breandán wrote:

The past participle/verbal adjective ending -tha is pronounced like -(u)í/i:/ (w)ee (with devoicing of the preceding consonant) in Connacht. :yes:

But I would never be able to explain it like that though.

mimerim · **Posted:** Thu 03 May 2012 2:48 am

deifir and scioptha are both on forvo

http://www.forvo.com/word/deifir/
http://www.forvo.com/word/scioptha/ <-- Bríd is that you?

I have to add (this is funny)... my husband (who is not an Irish learner) just walked by and I play both the scioptha pronunciations for him. When he heard the first one, he said, "What? Look how it's spelled. No way." When he heard the second one from generalbelly, he said, "Hey, see, that guy pronounces it they way it should be pronounced. That's how it's spelled." I looked on the map and saw that the second one was more southern. Husband was like, "The southern Irish people have it right. Others are wrong." Then walked away. :LOL:

Breandán · **Posted:** Thu 03 May 2012 2:57 am

mimerim wrote:

http://www.forvo.com/word/scioptha/ <-- Bríd is that you?

Yep.

The pronunciation of deifir by "Clare" is school Irish. Hopefully, Bríd can put a better version up for us.

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2623

Breandán wrote:

mimerim wrote:

http://www.forvo.com/word/scioptha/ <-- Bríd is that you?

Yep.

The pronunciation of deifir by "Clare" is school Irish. Hopefully, Bríd can put a better version up for us.

Yours is fine Breandán. :good:

mimerim wrote:

"Hey, see, that guy pronounces it they way it should be pronounced. That's how it's spelled."

That is sadly the problem with the Caighdéan spelling.

Redwolf · **Posted:** Thu 03 May 2012 2:20 pm

I get seriously irritated when people who haven't a word of Irish insist that "it isn't pronounced the way it's spelled." Of course it is! Why do people assume that letters and letter combinations make the same sounds in all language? I don't hear English speakers grumbling about words like "ratatouille" and "tortilla" not being "pronounced the way they're spelled"...why pick on Irish in this regard?

Redwolf

franc 91 · **Posted:** Thu 03 May 2012 2:45 pm

Yes but ratatouille does follow the caol le caol, leathan le leathan rule whereas tortilla doesn't. (Un point pour nous)

Breandán · **Posted:** Thu 03 May 2012 3:28 pm

franc 91 wrote:

Yes but ratatouille does follow the caol le caol, leathan le leathan rule whereas tortilla doesn't. (Un point pour nous)

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