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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012 12:31 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Do you really (I mean, in natural speech) answer with the pronoun after the verb?


If answering a question: An ndéanfaidh tú? I would normally answer Déanfaidh, or Ní dhéanfaidh... unless I were having a bit of a row perhaps... LOL...

I was treating each as a separate statement/sentence - perhaps it might be better to do as Breandán has and treat them as the answer to the questions.. If it causes confusion, I will do them again at a later time.
Thanks for that, and sorry about the confusion... I hadn't thought of that :oops:

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012 12:47 am 
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We understand Braoin. No need to do them again.

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It is recommended that you always wait for three to agree on a translation.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012 1:03 am 
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Yes, Braoin. No problem there. Just to explain to beginners though. Braoin's version contains in the "answers", i.e. An ndéarfaidh tú? Déarfaidh / Ní dhéarfaidh .

Lughaidh asked if this was really done. The answer to that I think is yes. It adds emphasis to the answer, hence Braoin's comment about "having a bit of a row (quarrel/argument)" - the answer may come across a bit stronger that way.

Sometimes a -d ending is also added in the "answer", i.e., An ndéarfaidh tú? Déarfad / Ní dhéarfad. This -d is the same as adding the pronoun and has a similar effect of emphasising the answer.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012 7:38 am 
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Thanks a mill, i Did check nualéargais but for some reason the sound files dont work for me.

Will have a listen to your recordings now, very helpful stuff


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012 12:18 pm 
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Lughaidh asked if this was really done. The answer to that I think is yes.


I was surprised because it's not what I learnt. And I don't think you would do that in Ulster.
Normally you use the verb alone, with no pronoun, but when the verb contains the pronoun (-aim, etc), then you use that personal ending
eg.

- An ólann tú tae?
- Óla(i)m. (not ólann).

But:
- An ólfaidh tú tae?
- Ólfaidh.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012 1:13 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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Lughaidh asked if this was really done. The answer to that I think is yes.


I was surprised because it's not what I learnt. And I don't think you would do that in Ulster.
Normally you use the verb alone, with no pronoun, but when the verb contains the pronoun (-aim, etc), then you use that personal ending
eg.

- An ólann tú tae?
- Óla(i)m. (not ólann).

I would have learnt Ólaim and Ólann were ok, Turas Teanga gives both

But:
- An ólfaidh tú tae?
- Ólfaidh.

I also would only use Ólfaidh, not Ólfaidh mé as a response, perhaps only Ólfaidh mé when you want to emphasis it like Braoin says eg argument



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According to Éamonn Ó Dónaill (Gaeilge Gan Stró, Grammadach Gan Stró, Turas Teanga, Now You're Talking, etc.), it's technically incorrect to use the pronoun when answering a "yes/no" question unless it's incorporated into the verb form itself (e.g., you can answer "ólaím" or "ólann," but technically not "ólann mé.").

The one exception he notes is with the copula, when the pronoun comes between the copula and the noun in a question. For example:

An tusa an múinteoir? Is mé/ní mé

But...

An múnteoir thú? 'Sea/ní hea.

That doesn't mean it isn't done, of course. I hear "tá mé" in response to "an bhfuil?" questions all the time on TG4. Perhaps it's one of those usage things that is becoming acceptable in spoken language.

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I've learned to just answer with the verb as well, but when I was hammering away at getting the irregulars into my head
I would repeat the whole sentence back. This helps your ears to hear and your mind to perceive what exactly you're really answering. It's then pretty easy to just drop it all off and have the verb alone answering.


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012 6:00 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Breandán wrote:
Lughaidh asked if this was really done. The answer to that I think is yes.

I was surprised because it's not what I learnt. And I don't think you would do that in Ulster.
Normally you use the verb alone, with no pronoun, but when the verb contains the pronoun (-aim, etc), then you use that personal ending
eg.

- An ólann tú tae?
- Óla(i)m. (not ólann).

But:
- An ólfaidh tú tae?
- Ólfaidh.
Ó Siadhail has examples using the synthetic forms (i.e., pronoun endings) when "echoing" the verb and when answering questions in the future and in the past:

Glanfaidh tú an bord, an nglanfais? "You'll clean the table, won't you?"

- Nach ndéanfaidh tú é? "Won't you do it?"
- Ní dhéanfad. "No."

- Ar nigh tú na soithí? "Did you wash the dishes?"
- Níos. Nígh mé ar ball iad. "Yes. I washed them a while ago."

These answers are a little more emphatic than just answering Ní dhéanfaidh or Nigh.

It is one of the few situations where Connacht speakers still use the synthetic forms in speech.

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