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 Post subject: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sat 29 Nov 2025 11:22 pm 
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A great channel and a great find: Learn Real Gaeilge at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EixAZR1Pnv4

He is learning Muskerry Irish, and so I'm going to enjoy his channel. But he pronounces Muskerry in English as Muss Kerry. It is Mooz Gree. If someone knows that the English pronunciation is different, please let me know. As far as I know, it is Mooz Gree in Irish and possibly Moose Cree in English.

This one is on the vowels, but make sure you click on his channel and find the list of all his other videos. They are all good.


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
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This man, called Liam, makes a clear attempt to get the pronunciation right. He is well worth learning from.


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov 2025 4:40 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
A great channel and a great find: Learn Real Gaeilge at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EixAZR1Pnv4

He is learning Muskerry Irish, and so I'm going to enjoy his channel. But he pronounces Muskerry in English as Muss Kerry. It is Mooz Gree. If someone knows that the English pronunciation is different, please let me know. As far as I know, it is Mooz Gree in Irish and possibly Moose Cree in English.

This one is on the vowels, but make sure you click on his channel and find the list of all his other videos. They are all good.


Most people around here, for whom English is their first language, would pronounce it the way he does. That's not to say it's historically accurate, and it may in fact be the result of working backwards from the anglicised spelling, but it's certainly the more common pronunciation when speaking English today.


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov 2025 10:48 am 
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Ade wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:
A great channel and a great find: Learn Real Gaeilge at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EixAZR1Pnv4

He is learning Muskerry Irish, and so I'm going to enjoy his channel. But he pronounces Muskerry in English as Muss Kerry. It is Mooz Gree. If someone knows that the English pronunciation is different, please let me know. As far as I know, it is Mooz Gree in Irish and possibly Moose Cree in English.

This one is on the vowels, but make sure you click on his channel and find the list of all his other videos. They are all good.


Most people around here, for whom English is their first language, would pronounce it the way he does. That's not to say it's historically accurate, and it may in fact be the result of working backwards from the anglicised spelling, but it's certainly the more common pronunciation when speaking English today.


I see - that explains that then. The "official" pronunciation of the English version can be heard at https://www.logainm.ie/en/43 - there is an audio file for both languages. But it seems many people have, as you say, a pronunciation that comes from the English spelling.


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov 2025 6:39 pm 
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My email address or one of them is foghlamthoir@gmail.com
I've redone the following letters in my dictionary: A, B, C, H, J, O, U, V, and will send the PDF to whoever wants it. Or the ODT (OpenOffice) files.


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov 2025 10:35 pm 
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Séamus, I've just sent it to you. I couldn't attach the 31 MB PDF, but was able to send a link to the file in One Drive - you will be able to download it. Any errors, let me know. Má thagann tú ar aon bhotún cló nú rudaí eile a bheadh bun-os-cionn, cuir scéala chúm!


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov 2025 10:58 pm 
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It prints out as 802 pages of A4, double columns, 10-pt font. 17400 headwords (but some of them, around 8% are just entries redirecting to other entries, eg teach>tigh). A headword can sometimes embrace hundreds of subentries (eg cuirim has subentires for cur de, cur as, cur ó, etc). The dictionary file as a whole is a file with a word count of 619,428 words, and I've been working on it since 2008.


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov 2025 11:05 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Ade wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:
A great channel and a great find: Learn Real Gaeilge at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EixAZR1Pnv4

He is learning Muskerry Irish, and so I'm going to enjoy his channel. But he pronounces Muskerry in English as Muss Kerry. It is Mooz Gree. If someone knows that the English pronunciation is different, please let me know. As far as I know, it is Mooz Gree in Irish and possibly Moose Cree in English.

This one is on the vowels, but make sure you click on his channel and find the list of all his other videos. They are all good.


Most people around here, for whom English is their first language, would pronounce it the way he does. That's not to say it's historically accurate, and it may in fact be the result of working backwards from the anglicised spelling, but it's certainly the more common pronunciation when speaking English today.


I see - that explains that then. The "official" pronunciation of the English version can be heard at https://www.logainm.ie/en/43 - there is an audio file for both languages. But it seems many people have, as you say, a pronunciation that comes from the English spelling.


To my ear, that sounds like the same, probably native Irish speaker pronouncing both the Irish and English forms, so her pronunciation of the English may be influenced by exposure to the Irish pronunciation in a way that most English speakers in Ireland don't experience.

With that being said, it may be more to do with proximity to the area than native Irish speech, i.e. that there is a higher likelihood in Muskerry of hearing the English form of the name often, in everyday conversation, thereby preserving the original pronunciation only locally, while speakers from most other places use a pronunciation which probably originated from reading the anglicised spelling. A similar thing happens with the English pronunciation of Tyrone, whereby locals will tell you the correct pronunciation, even in English, is like tih-rowen, though the majority of Irish people will still say tie-rowen, again probably working backwards from the spelling.


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 Post subject: Re: Learn Real Gaeilge
PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov 2025 11:08 pm 
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Yes, and Tyrone has become a general Christian name - I mean, used by people in the Anglophone world who don't necessarily have any Irish ancestry they know of - and the pronunciation tye-rohn is reinforced by that. Quite a few dogs are called Tyrone.


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