sin go

Séamus O'Neill · **Posted:** Sun 04 May 2025 9:42 pm

From An t-O.:

Quote:

Tagaid siad ó’n dá thaobh di agus cuirid de’n ráib sin go mbuailid amuich ar an mór-mhuir í.

The English is 'They came about the boat on either side, and thrust her down till she was afloat on the main sea.' Siúd is go means 'granted that', could this be a form of that meaning 'so that'?

Labhrás · **Joined:** Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm **Posts:** 1966

Séamus O'Neill wrote:

From An t-O.:

Quote:

Tagaid siad ó’n dá thaobh di agus cuirid de’n ráib sin go mbuailid amuich ar an mór-mhuir í.

The English is 'They came about the boat on either side, and thrust her down till she was afloat on the main sea.' Siúd is go means 'granted that', could this be a form of that meaning 'so that'?

Níl "sin go" ann ach:
den ráib sin = off that ráib

sin go in the sense of "so that" only combined with chomh (+ adjective) or oiread or similar (chomh hard sin go mbuailid ...)

Séamus O'Neill · **Posted:** Mon 05 May 2025 3:49 pm

I thought ráib meant 'dash' or 'sprint', does this have a different meaning?

Labhrás · **Joined:** Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm **Posts:** 1966

"don(den?) ráib sin" is something only to be found in Ó Criomhthain's idiolect (chuas don ráib sin, níor stadas don ráib sin), at least in corpas.focloir.ie
perhaps: with that dash? with that momentum?

Séamus O'Neill · **Posted:** Mon 05 May 2025 5:26 pm

Thank you

Séamus O'Neill · **Posted:** Sat 31 May 2025 11:02 pm

Labhrás wrote:

"don(den?) ráib sin" is something only to be found in Ó Criomhthain's idiolect (chuas don ráib sin, níor stadas don ráib sin), at least in corpas.focloir.ie
perhaps: with that dash? with that momentum?

Is this an example of the same ideolectal feature:

Quote:

Thug sé chomh fada le h‑íochtar na h‑Éireann de’n scríb sin iad

I don't know what de'n scríb sin means. Maybe it is similar in meaning to de'n ráib sin?

Séamus O'Neill · **Posted:** Sat 31 May 2025 11:04 pm

I also found the same construction here: http://corpas.ria.ie/index.php?fsg_func ... =3902#l598 , but I think it might be being used differently here.

Labhrás · **Joined:** Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm **Posts:** 1966

I'd think de is instrumental in "den ráib sin" (like: de léim, de phléasc) or even more similar (in FGB):
Chuaigh siad den ruathar sin thar an droichead = that charge brought them over the bridge.

Yes, "den scrí(o)b sin" seems to be similar: with that effort, with that run

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