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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep 2015 3:53 pm 
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Jay Bee wrote:
4. I don't know myself. A Loin Dhuibh!

As far as I can remember there's:


Dein
Beir
Faigh
Chí
Tair
Téigh
Tairig
Deir
Ith
Goibh
Tabhair
Clois
Téan
Inis
Feadar
Ráin (slightly and rare anyway outside of certain forms)

There are also a couple of verbs that switch conjugation depending on the tense, but they're not irregular as such.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep 2015 9:54 am 
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What do 'goibh' and 'ráin' mean?

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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep 2015 11:34 am 
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Jay Bee wrote:
What do 'goibh' and 'ráin' mean?

Goibh is the Munster form of Gabh, i.e. "Gabhann an Sulán trí Mhagh Chromtha", its past tense and imperative use goibh as their root.

Ráin means "occur".

Ráinig go dtáinig sé abhaile = It happened that he came home.

Note: Kerry Irish doesn't really use the past tense verbal particles. Also the Sulán is rare, in that it is a river that is masculine. The only other example I know of is a small river in Ceathrú Thaidhg, but I'd have to find the name again.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep 2015 4:03 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Jay Bee wrote:
What do 'goibh' and 'ráin' mean?

Goibh is the Munster form of Gabh, i.e. "Gabhann an Sulán trí Mhagh Chromtha", its past tense and imperative use goibh as their root.

Ráin means "occur".

Ráinig go dtáinig sé abhaile = It happened that he came home.

Note: Kerry Irish doesn't really use the past tense verbal particles. Also the Sulán is rare, in that it is a river that is masculine. The only other example I know of is a small river in Ceathrú Thaidhg, but I'd have to find the name again.


I've only ever heard ráin in the past tense.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep 2015 4:31 pm 
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From Séadna, as an example:

Dá ráineódh go bhfágfadh an duine uasal so Baile Átha Cliath ar an mbóthar aici = If it were to happen that this noble man left her high and dry.

I've heard it in the future and present myself, but only a few times in non-impersonal use (all were Ráiníos). However it is mostly a defective verb.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Also the Sulán is rare, in that it is a river that is masculine. The only other example I know of is a small river in Ceathrú Thaidhg, but I'd have to find the name again.


Tá abhainn eile:
An Feabhal i gCúige Uladh.

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Ráin (slightly and rare anyway outside of certain forms)


ráin?

Present tense was rig some centuries ago (Old Irish: ro-icc) but isn't used anymore.
Ráinig is past tense.
e.g. "... thar toinn do ráinig chughainn" in Amhrán na bhFiann)

ráinigh is a modernized and quite regular form of the verb but defective as well.

Ráinig liom was (is?) used similar to tháinig liom


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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep 2015 6:13 pm 
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ráin?

Are you wondering about the imperative? I didn't want to give it as I have never heard it. I've only heard Ráiníonn, Ráineoidh, e.t.c. which would suggest Ráinigh, but it could easily be like several other syncopated verbs and simply be Ráin despite second conjugation endings.

The verbal noun is riachtain in Munster.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep 2015 10:10 pm 
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Any chance anyone has tried to make a systematic list and comparison of all these? Myself, though I'm not from Munster, want to see all dialects covered, as I fear for stuff lost, as I do as each year, good native speakers die and idiom is gone forever

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 Post subject: Re: Irish language quiz
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
From Séadna, as an example:

Dá ráineódh go bhfágfadh an duine uasal so Baile Átha Cliath ar an mbóthar aici = If it were to happen that this noble man left her high and dry.

I've heard it in the future and present myself, but only a few times in non-impersonal use (all were Ráiníos). However it is mostly a defective verb.


Thá go maith! Go raibh maith agat!

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