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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Mon 17 Aug 2015 5:38 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
Odd. When I go to the link I gave (which launches the video), my comment from five days ago is the third from the top. For those who don't know my real name, it's under "Audrey Nickel" and here's what it says:

"Generally good, but I'd like to hear the distinction between broad "t" and "d" and the English sounds of these letters, which really is quite different. In all three dialects, broad "t" and "d" are pronounced with the tongue against the back of the top teeth, which gives them a very different sound from the English letters, which are pronounced with the tongue tipping off the hard palate."

I don't see any other negative comments, though.

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Nope, I can't find you. She's obviously hiding three comments.

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Mon 17 Aug 2015 6:31 pm 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
Odd. When I go to the link I gave (which launches the video), my comment from five days ago is the third from the top. For those who don't know my real name, it's under "Audrey Nickel" and here's what it says:

"Generally good, but I'd like to hear the distinction between broad "t" and "d" and the English sounds of these letters, which really is quite different. In all three dialects, broad "t" and "d" are pronounced with the tongue against the back of the top teeth, which gives them a very different sound from the English letters, which are pronounced with the tongue tipping off the hard palate."

I don't see any other negative comments, though.

Redwolf


Nope, I can't find you. She's obviously hiding three comments.


That is totally uncool.

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Mon 17 Aug 2015 9:45 pm 
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2 of mine, and one of Redwolf's, those are the three missing.

Speaking of broad t and s, the example, 'tae' is a plain t, as it is a more recent loanword, or it is in Conamara, anyway

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Mon 17 Aug 2015 10:13 pm 
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I think I heard "tae" with an English "t" (daidí and daideo also have English d's, I think) in Donegal, from an old woman whose main language was Irish. So it's a kind of loanword, even though the vowel of "tea" isn't the same as the vowel of "tae" (I wonder why we don't say "tí" or "tuí" in Irish... Tì is the Scottish Gaelic word for "tea" and this is a real direct loanword).

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Mon 17 Aug 2015 10:20 pm 
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'Tay' is the Hiberno-English, so I'd imagine that's where it came from.

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Mon 17 Aug 2015 10:36 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
I think I heard "tae" with an English "t" (daidí and daideo also have English d's, I think) in Donegal, from an old woman whose main language was Irish. So it's a kind of loanword, even though the vowel of "tea" isn't the same as the vowel of "tae" (I wonder why we don't say "tí" or "tuí" in Irish... Tì is the Scottish Gaelic word for "tea" and this is a real direct loanword).
Lughaidh wrote:
I think I heard "tae" with an English "t" (daidí and daideo also have English d's, I think) in Donegal, from an old woman whose main language was Irish. So it's a kind of loanword, even though the vowel of "tea" isn't the same as the vowel of "tae" (I wonder why we don't say "tí" or "tuí" in Irish... Tì is the Scottish Gaelic word for "tea" and this is a real direct loanword).


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'Tay' is the Hiberno-English, so I'd imagine that's where it came from.


A lot of words that have an -ee- sound in standard English, have an -ay- sound in Hiberno-Irish; eg. decent is pronounced as daycent etc... .

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Tue 18 Aug 2015 8:27 am 
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Maybe the posts require approval before going public, so as an experiment, I've posted the message "Really useful, thank you!" under my name (my surname's Tracey). I logged out and it's not showing, but then again the comment count hasn't gone up (it was sitting at 44 before and after my comment). Let's wait and see if all the messages appear at once.

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Wed 19 Aug 2015 3:24 am 
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NiallBeag wrote:
Bríd Mhór wrote:
Jay Bee wrote:
My user name is Séamus and my avatar is an 'apple fish'. I wonder was it masked by the account owner


Probably. Which explains why all the comments are positive. She is blocking any too critical.

In which case, the only way to deal with her video is to downvote it. It may seem a little harsh, but if she's not willing to have constructive discussions then she's wasting her own work -- we don't want her video being put out in front of people as a model to follow without qualification.



Sadly, it's been posted at least three times on Duolingo already...


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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Wed 19 Aug 2015 4:23 pm 
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galaxyrocker wrote:
Sadly, it's been posted at least three times on Duolingo already...
Ah well, with what they've already been exposed to, you can hardly expect it to make matters worse....

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 Post subject: Re: Pronunciation video
PostPosted: Mon 24 Aug 2015 1:32 pm 
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I got an answer, at least to my comments

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