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 Post subject: A Munster version
PostPosted: Sun 10 May 2015 2:18 pm 
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I've been looking for this, but to no avail. Is there a Munster or West Kerry version of An tÁive Máiria ?
This is the standard version that I've found -

An tÁive Máiria

'Sé do bheatha, a Mhuire, atá lán de ghrásta
Tá an Tiarna leat
Is beannaithe thú idir mná
Agus is beannaithe toradh do bhroinne, Íosa
A Naomh-Mhuire, A Mháthair Dé
Guigh orainn na peacaigh
Anois agus ar uair ár mbais
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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
PostPosted: Sun 10 May 2015 11:43 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
I've been looking for this, but to no avail. Is there a Munster or West Kerry version of An tÁive Máiria ?
This is the standard version that I've found -

An tÁive Máiria

'Sé do bheatha, a Mhuire, atá lán de ghrásta
Tá an Tiarna leat
Is beannaithe thú idir mná
Agus is beannaithe toradh do bhroinne, Íosa
A Naomh-Mhuire, A Mháthair Dé
Guigh orainn na peacaigh
Anois agus ar uair ár mbais
Amen


I don't know that it's necessarily a Munster version, but this is an older version, using pre-reform spelling:

Dia do bheatha, a Mhuire, atá lán ghrása, tá an Thighearna leat.
Is beannuighthe thú thar na mnáibh,
is beannuighthe toradh do bhronn, Íosa.
A naomh Mhuire, a Mháthair Dé,
Guidh orainn na peachthaigh, anois, agus ar uair ár mbáis.

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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
PostPosted: Mon 11 May 2015 6:50 am 
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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
PostPosted: Mon 11 May 2015 12:10 pm 
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Your first post would be fine in Munster.

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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
PostPosted: Mon 11 May 2015 12:15 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
an Thighearna

Wow Tiarna used to feminine. And as dumb as this is, having seen the old spelling a million times Ive just copped that its tigh + earna with earna feminine.

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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
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The article "an" never lenites T. "An Thighearna" is obviously a typo (and it has nothing to do with "tigh" historically). And "ti(ghe)arna" is masculine :)

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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
PostPosted: Tue 12 May 2015 5:23 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
The article "an" never lenites T. "An Thighearna" is obviously a typo (and it has nothing to do with "tigh" historically). And "ti(ghe)arna" is masculine :)

I was thinking more that maybe in Classical Irish it was feminine. Id made up a nonsense folk etymology though, it has nothing to do with tigh as you said. Apparently dates to proto celtic.

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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
PostPosted: Tue 12 May 2015 11:26 am 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
The article "an" never lenites T. "An Thighearna" is obviously a typo (and it has nothing to do with "tigh" historically). And "ti(ghe)arna" is masculine :)

I was thinking more that maybe in Classical Irish it was feminine. Id made up a nonsense folk etymology though, it has nothing to do with tigh as you said. Apparently dates to proto celtic.

MacBain certainly thought it had an etymological link, and why not? It would be analogous to the evolution of the Latin-derived "dominate", "dominion" etc -- from "domus" (house). Lords were originally heads of a household, and "domination" was originally benevolent, rather than absolutist.

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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
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Lughaidh wrote:
The article "an" never lenites T. "An Thighearna" is obviously a typo (and it has nothing to do with "tigh" historically). And "ti(ghe)arna" is masculine :)


I got that version from an old prayer book which a friend had, but of course it's possible that they made a typo.

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 Post subject: Re: A Munster version
PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2015 9:33 am 
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I'm actually a bit confused with this one, as in Classical Irish "an" could lenite T and Ive found a few texts with "an Thighearna". Does anybody know anything about this?

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