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PostPosted: Tue 25 Nov 2014 5:16 pm 
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Dia daoibh. Just a quick question I was hoping to get some help with.

I was going over Buntús Cainte (1) and in Ceacht 60 one of the sentences reads: "Ní fhaca mé é le tamall, cibé ar bith."

But in Ceacht 58 (in what I thought was a similarly constructed sentence) it reads: "Ní fhaca mé riamh cheana sibh."

All the other sentences in 58 follow this pattern, the likes of thú, é, í etc. being at the end of the sentence, so why isnt "é" at the end in Ceacht 60?

Thanks for any help.


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PostPosted: Thu 27 Nov 2014 4:12 pm 
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The pronoun mostly comes at the end of an Irish sentence but it’s not an absolute rule because like all rules in Irish, there are a few exceptions.
Especially if the sentence contains longer units the pronoun can be placed in other positions.

Chonaic mé (é) ar an mbord (é) ar ceann na cistine (é) sa teach sin (é) inné (é).

There are other circumstances where it can change position from the end of the sentence, but I’m not sure I could give good examples.

I do think that books for learners shouldn’t introduce stuff that conflicts with earlier lessons without explaining it.


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PostPosted: Thu 27 Nov 2014 8:15 pm 
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I somehow thought that the whole point of BC is that they didn't explain anything - you just repeat it as it goes flying past your ears - (well, there is a little bit of grammar in the back) - it's what they call immersion (drowning by numbers might be a better way of describing it). Anyway if you want grammar just ask the Christian Bros, they'll set about getting you immersed in that.


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PostPosted: Thu 27 Nov 2014 11:12 pm 
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MacBoo wrote:
The pronoun mostly comes at the end of an Irish sentence but it’s not an absolute rule because like all rules in Irish, there are a few exceptions.
Especially if the sentence contains longer units the pronoun can be placed in other positions.

Chonaic mé (é) ar an mbord (é) ar ceann na cistine (é) sa teach sin (é) inné (é).

There are other circumstances where it can change position from the end of the sentence, but I’m not sure I could give good examples.

I do think that books for learners shouldn’t introduce stuff that conflicts with earlier lessons without explaining it.

And some people would say "é" twice :) Chonaic me é ar an mbord é.


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PostPosted: Fri 28 Nov 2014 6:10 pm 
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'maith agaibh lads. That helps :good:


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