Used Bookstores: Plural Form

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

Siopaí seanleabhra (pronounced seana-leabhra) is what I'd guess, like Braoin said. I think that's used in the Irish bookshop in Dingle in their used section.

If you were using athláimhe (or athlámha, lámha is the genitive of lámh in some dialects), then Saoirse's version has the right grammar, in my opinion.

hibernianroots · **Posted:** Wed 26 Mar 2014 6:00 pm

hibernianroots wrote:

Errigal wrote:

Redwolf wrote:

No one's directly addressed asenion's question, though, which is do all elements of the phrase change if "siopa" becomes plural. I would say not, but I admit I'm not 100% certain.

Redwolf

No, the other elements of the phrase are unaffected.

franc 91 wrote:

I suppose it would be - siopaí leabhair athláimhe - but perhaps someone will correct me if it isn't.

Yes.

[NB: 'bookshop(s)' - siopa(í) leabhar but 'second-hand bookshop(s)' - siopa(i) leabhair athláimhe/siopa(í) seanleabhar ]

Errigal, could this be an example of the differences in "closed compound nouns" and "open compound nouns" as I pointed out in my reply to Redwolf's post ? Of course, these terms relate to English grammar and may not even exist in Irish grammar. As I am a mere babe-in-the-woods when it comes to Irish grammar, I don't know. However, I do see in your examples that indeed, when the English closed compound noun "bookshops" is translated into Irish, you have it as "siopaí leabhar", but when the English open compound noun "second-hand bookshops" is translated into Irish, you have it as "siopaí leabhair athláimhe". I think this is the crux of the original post ? As always, I cede to the wisdom of those more knowledgeable than myself

Thought I'd give this a little "bump" since the thread kind of died out before my question, if it even makes any sense, was answered.

Redwolf · **Posted:** Wed 26 Mar 2014 6:33 pm

hibernianroots wrote:

Errigal, could this be an example of the differences in "closed compound nouns" and "open compound nouns" as I pointed out in my reply to Redwolf's post ? Of course, these terms relate to English grammar and may not even exist in Irish grammar. As I am a mere babe-in-the-woods when it comes to Irish grammar, I don't know. However, I do see in your examples that indeed, when the English closed compound noun "bookshops" is translated into Irish, you have it as "siopaí leabhar", but when the English open compound noun "second-hand bookshops" is translated into Irish, you have it as "siopaí leabhair athláimhe". I think this is the crux of the original post ? As always, I cede to the wisdom of those more knowledgeable than myself

Just re-quoting it here, so folks will know which question hasn't been answered.

Redwolf

hibernianroots · **Posted:** Wed 26 Mar 2014 7:03 pm

Redwolf wrote:

hibernianroots wrote:

Errigal, could this be an example of the differences in "closed compound nouns" and "open compound nouns" as I pointed out in my reply to Redwolf's post ? Of course, these terms relate to English grammar and may not even exist in Irish grammar. As I am a mere babe-in-the-woods when it comes to Irish grammar, I don't know. However, I do see in your examples that indeed, when the English closed compound noun "bookshops" is translated into Irish, you have it as "siopaí leabhar", but when the English open compound noun "second-hand bookshops" is translated into Irish, you have it as "siopaí leabhair athláimhe". I think this is the crux of the original post ? As always, I cede to the wisdom of those more knowledgeable than myself

Just re-quoting it here, so folks will know which question hasn't been answered.

Redwolf

Go raibh maith agat , a Audrey

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