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PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013 6:45 pm 
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True it is. I don't know what I was thinking

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013 8:39 pm 
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patrickjwalsh wrote:
Does this mean Doire (as in the Northern city) is etymologically related to Dair?

MacBain's dictionary of Scottish Gaelic reckons so. (ScG uses doire and Bain compares this to Irish doire,daire, and thence to oak.)

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013 12:06 am 
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patrickjwalsh wrote:
Yes, but I asked because an Lon Dubh spelt it daire, not doire.

Apologies, the pronunciation is:
/dar'e/ (Note: not /dαr'e/)

I'm using the standardised way of writing Old Irish (a description can be found in David Stifter's Sengoídelc, Lesson 3) where ai is always /a/ followed by a palatalized consonant.

Note that Old Irish possessed 11 diphthongs, 9 of which are not found in Modern Irish, as well as hiatuses vowels, so this spelling system is quite different. For example:
Daur = /da.ur/, au is not a diphthong or one vowel, both vowels are pronounced in seperate syllables.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013 4:33 pm 
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how many of the Dipthongs are retained in Scotland?

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Mar 2014 2:39 pm 
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Daithí, your question only came back to me there now!

Not many, most of the Scottish Gaelic Diphthongs arose in the Middle Ages and are not related to the ones in Old Irish. (The same is true for Irish)

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Mar 2014 4:02 pm 
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so had they been lost between old Irish and Medieval Irish/Scots Gaelic ?
And what caused other ones to reappear in Scots Gaelic ?

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Mar 2014 4:12 pm 
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Dáithí Mac Giolla. wrote:
so had they been lost between old Irish and Medieval Irish/Scots Gaelic ?
And what caused other ones to reappear in Scots Gaelic ?

Same as in Irish (most Irish diphthongs are not from Old Irish either), they came into existence as consonants stopped being pronounced. Like -adh- in gadhar, which is now /gair/, that is: g, a diphthong, r. However it used to be /gaðar/ with ð the th sound in English this.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Mar 2014 4:25 pm 
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so old Irish had 11 diphthongs and then new ones came about later?

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Off the top of my head, the main diphthongs in ScG are y-glides for slender DH/GH; and w-glides on broad Bh/Mh (depending on word and dialect) and in monyllabic words ending -ann/-all.

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