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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014 8:56 pm 
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More Fine Gael's plans for Irish

http://www.thejournal.ie/should-leaving ... 5-Feb2011/

Má thugtar cead a gcinn don 'rialtas' seo cuirfear deireadh ar fad lenár dteanga.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014 9:10 pm 
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Braoin wrote:
Má thugtar cead a gcinn don 'rialtas' seo cuirfear deireadh ar fad lenár dteanga.
Is fíor dhuit, a Bhraoin. :/


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014 9:25 pm 
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I dont get the something isint producing results lets just give up attitude. I dont see them proposing to drop the learning of another foreign language because the results are awful.

Maybe they should look at other ways to teach in order to get the desired results. analyse whats wrong and come up with a fresh approach.

Maybe they could utilise some modern technology's and teaching methods.
Secondary schools could be equipped with a language lap, where you have booths within which each pupil would have a one to one conversation with a trained native speaker in What ever the target language ( Irish, French, German, Arabic etc.)

of course this would have to depend on the value of one to one teaching,
would one hour per student a week, for 33 weeks over 6 years be a massive boost to language ability's . Thats about 200 hours of conversation. With real native speakers.

Of course youd need teachers, but they dont have to be paid or trained the same way as normal teachers.
you have about 330,00 second level students in Ireland, if each was to get 1 hour a week in Irish and 1 hour in another language.
one instructor would be required a week per 30 students. 11,000 instructors. @ say 35,000 per instructor = 385 million a year.
or 770 million a year for two languages . something less than 10% of current budget.(€8.6 billion at the moment ???)

People would get to practice their language with real native speakers for 200 hours.
You'd create 11,000 jobs in the Gaeltacht for Irish speakers and 11,000 elsewhere for other languages.

Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014 9:26 pm 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Braoin wrote:
Má thugtar cead a gcinn don 'rialtas' seo cuirfear deireadh ar fad lenár dteanga.
Is fíor dhuit, a Bhraoin. :/
Is fíor :/

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014 11:50 pm 
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Má thugtar cead a gcinn don 'rialtas' seo cuirfear deireadh ar fad lenár dteanga.


ní dóigh liomsa go mbraitheann beatha na teangtha ar rialtas ná ar na scoltacha. Cha bhíonn an chuid is mó do na páistí scoile ábalta Gaeilg a labhairt i ndiaidh daofa 'n Leaving Cert a dhéanamh, mar sin chan athróchadh sé mórán, dar liom. Braitheann beatha na Gaeilge ar na daoiní ar mian leofa í a dh'úsáid, sin an méid...

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2014 1:06 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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Má thugtar cead a gcinn don 'rialtas' seo cuirfear deireadh ar fad lenár dteanga.


ní dóigh liomsa go mbraitheann beatha na teangtha ar rialtas ná ar na scoltacha. Cha bhíonn an chuid is mó do na páistí scoile ábalta Gaeilg a labhairt i ndiaidh daofa 'n Leaving Cert a dhéanamh, mar sin chan athróchadh sé mórán, dar liom. Braitheann beatha na Gaeilge ar na daoiní ar mian leofa í a dh'úsáid, sin an méid...


Ní i bhfad ón bhfírinne atá tú ansin. Dá mba rud é gur ag brath ar an scoil a bhí tú chun máistreacht ar labhairt na Gaeilge a bhaint amach bhuel ní gá dom a rá cén toradh a thiocfadh as an scéal sin :(
An rud atá ann ná má éiríonn le Fine Gael tábhacht na Gaeilge a bhaint ón gcuraclam is iomaí bád na teanga seo a fheicfeas muid ag dul go tóin poill.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2014 8:01 am 
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I agree with Lughaidh. Worrying about Irish in schools is like worrying about unicorns.

If it had been stopped years ago there'd be far less of that Urban Irish stuff. Same for Gaelscoileanna.

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In the grand scheme of things, cutting out Irish from the last 2 years of school will have very little (if any) impact on the language. There are all kinds of things that were never taught as subjects in school but are still important parts our culture (Irish music, food and drink, film etc.) Gaelic games have always been optional in school, and are still thriving.

The problem is that people in Ireland are very suspicious of the government. If they made Irish optional for the last 2 years of school and just left it at that, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But if this is the first step in a bigger policy that is hostile to the Irish language, it could lead to more initiatives that make it hard for teachers, schools, media outlets and community groups to operate.

I don't think I'm the only person who is afraid to agree to ANY government plan. If we give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2014 8:24 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
ní dóigh liomsa go mbraitheann beatha na teangtha ar rialtas ná ar na scoltacha. Cha bhíonn an chuid is mó do na páistí scoile ábalta Gaeilg a labhairt i ndiaidh daofa 'n Leaving Cert a dhéanamh, mar sin chan athróchadh sé mórán, dar liom. Braitheann beatha na Gaeilge ar na daoiní ar mian leofa í a dh'úsáid, sin an méid...

Tuigim go maith thú a Lughaidh ach ní hé sin an scéal iomlán dar liom. Cuir i gcás, tá na coláistí samhraidh iontach tábhachtach do mhuintir na Gaeltachta mar theacht isteach airgid agus mar fhostaíocht. Gan an Ghaeilg bheith mar ábhar éigeantach don ardteist, bheadh laghdú tubaisteach ar líon na mac léinn ag teacht chuig na Gaeltachtaí. Is é an toradh a bheidh air seo nó go mbeidh níos mó daoine ag imeacht ón Ghaeltacht lena gcuid a shaothrú áit inteacht eile, agus lagú mór eile ag teacht ar an Ghaeltacht go ginearálta.

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I don't think I'm the only person who is afraid to agree to ANY government plan. If we give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

Tá a fhios ag Dia orm go bhfuil an ceart ar fad agat fá sin!

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