ARRGGGGGHHH It drives me mad when I see stuff I already knew and should have gotten right. Why do I keep making stupid mistakes

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Roinnt is pronounced 'Reent' is it not? and Roinn would be 'reen'?

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You have to specify which dialect. Pronunciations are not universal. Rayint, Reeng in Munster Irish.

Haha, don't let it get to you, just keep practicing. Even in your native language you will stumble over words, make false starts, call something by the wrong name etc. So it's bound to happen in a language that you are just learning.


I pronounce it "ryngt" (best way I can render it in English phonics). The roi part rhymes with rye or wry. That's a Munster way of pronouncing it. "Reent" could be correct for other dialects.

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Look at this:



You must cut bread versus you must be cutting bread.

If you don't want to write 'ag gearradh' then 'a'gearradh' will show the difference with it and 'a ghearradh'




I would pronounce in a way consistent with the spelling as one is a learner, but everyone has different preferences
http://breis.focloir.ie/en/fuaim/roinnt

Generally, North Mayo and Donegal are more conservative on sounds, so 'rinnt' follows the spelling more

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Does Roinn mean anything else other than share? Irish verbs tend to have many meanings. I have started to think of Irish words and phrases more as concepts than as words like you do in English. A lot of the time they do not translate well. Gearr - to cut seems to have a lot of contexts and can be confusing. I used to have that issue with Caith but am well past that now and very comfortable with that verb I think.

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It's the same basic idea, conceptually. In the language's specific lexico-grammatical colligations, it would be different tho. What I mean is, collocation is the 'co-location' of two words, as in 'Manchester +United' while colligation is where two or more bits of grammar co-relate (mo chluas --POSS +NOUN). Some words and patterns don't go well in a given language and some do and this is down to general usage and a brain that uses neural networks to generate novel yet grammatically normal utterances on the fly

Being vague, I suppose the gearr/roinnt difference comes down to usage patterns thru time and so semantic differences in the present

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It can mean department or division, which I suppose is related to the meaning of "share."

An Roinn Oideachas / The Department of Education
Roinn 1 agus Roinn 2 / Division 1 and Division 2 (in the GAA league tables)

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I do actually know about 'ag rith' and 'a rith' etc. Ie. running and to run and ag rith goes in the middle of a sentence and a rith goes at the end but that was why I was banging my head because I should not have made that mistake! That and Liomsa/Leatsa of course

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Roinn means department, portion and division, variously so you can see the parallels.

What we need in Irish is a 'lexico-conceptual' dictionary or reference that connects things like you say, conceptually

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