Regrettably true.

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I don't think Errigal meant it like that

No, there is no reason why dóibh shouldn't be there, in fact it sounds odd without it.

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According to the standard there should be no hyphen; "drochbhéasach, drochdhuine, drochscéal" from litriú na Gaeilge pg. 116. Although, litiriú na Gaeilge makes no specific mention of the use of the hyphen regarding droch , all of its examples show it without the hyphen. Then on page 118 it specifically says "Scríobhtar dea- in ionad deagh- agus deigh- agus cuirtear fleiscín ina dhiaidh i gcónaí. It would help if there was a bit of consistency, because if you seen dea with a fleiscín your mind would automatically go then there must be a fleiscín proceeding droch!

What a stupid thing to standardise, it wouldn't be all that bad if there wasn't so many bloody exceptions to the rule. It would have been best to leave it open, or they way it is in Gaeltacht Irish. If a caighdeán was insisted it would have made a lot more sense to say there should be a fleiscin whenever there is a comhfhocal (comh-fhocal) involved as it shows clearly the two words and can sometimes make the meaning of words far clearer. For example droch-mhisneach looks a lot clearer than drochmhisneach. But like most things in the standard it leaves you scratching your head .

There used to be no hyphens in compound words in older Irish i.e. Fionnghuala, but nowadays that's Fionnuala and its very difficult to deduce from that spelling what the name means it would be better if it were Fionn-ghuala (fair-shoulder).

I don't think a state exam corrector would ever be such a pedantic knit-picker to correct you for adding in a fleiscín to where it shouldn't be or vice-versa (I don't think he would notice). I have always used droch- and will continue to do so. By the way Errigal I'm not at all giving out about you for bringing it up , you don't make the rules. I just wanted to have a good winge/ bitch about the stupid rules of the standard again!

Cian

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You're right, Gumbi - I didn't. It was just a cheap attempt at some alliteration. Though I know the rules on hyphenation as explained by An Cionnfhaolach, I'm just as likely to use 'droch' with hyphen as without.



Where are you and Gumbi getting this 'dóibh' from? ('Twas he who gave this translation over on IGTF, 'twas myself who said 'dóibh' shouldn't be there.)
It should be ina n-aghaidh siúd

Did I? :P It's a mistake obviously :P It should be iad of course

You did. It is. It shouldn't. Didn't you read what I wrote?
ina n-aghaidh siúd

I don't get what your trying to say, can you expand on why dóibh shouldn't be there? Though I recognise that dóibh doesn't need to be there, I have found nothing to suggest why it shouldn't. I understand "iad" might work here instead:

Here's examples of dóibh siúd For those, those

http://www.tobaccoregister.ie/Libraries ... .sflb.ashx

"cé go dtuigim dóibh siúd nach bhfuil ag iarraidh bogadh" from pota focal. From:

(under siúd) http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Text=si%C3%BAd

or

Are you saying the dóibh is the wrong prepositional pronoun or wrong pronoun to use? My understanding of dóibh siúd is For those, or those.

I can see your point with Seas an fód ina n-aghaidh alright: "péindlithe le rith ina n-éadan siúd nach WASPS iad" from pota focal (http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Text=si%C3%BAd). Though I haven't really seen it or heard of it before in that context.

Cian


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Ah, no running off here quite yet. I've always tried to surround myself with good, sensible folks, and listen to what they have to say before acting on important stuff. Looks like I have found another good bunch. I did, actually, "laugh out loud" when I read through this thread. Great stuff, and I'll study on it. Thanks, again, for making my day. Take care all.

The idiom with in aghaidh is in aghaidh ruda "against sth." literally "in face of something", not in aghaidh do rud*.

When a phrase takes the genitive like this you use the possessive pronoun not an independent pronoun (think of os mo chionn, etc.) Hence Errigal's ina n-aghaidh siúd "against them" literally "in their faces".

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