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 Post subject: Re: Is féidir liom
PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2013 2:37 am 
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Féabar wrote:
If the shoe fits wear it.


No, the shoe doesn't fit. I think pronunciation is important and I said so – that's hardly what I'd call being an "arm-chair quarterback".


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 Post subject: Re: Is féidir liom
PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2013 2:46 am 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Féabar wrote:
If the shoe fits wear it.


No, the shoe doesn't fit. I think pronunciation is important and I said so – that's hardly what I'd call being an "arm-chair quarterback".


Great! Then the comment didn't apply to you so lighten up.


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 Post subject: Re: Is féidir liom
PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2013 9:58 pm 
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Féabar wrote:
I'm giving a little "Intro to Irish" class as a community service here in Navasota beginning Oct.13. It will run 6 weeks and I chose to use the "Is Feidir Liom" this time because it is user friendly and colorful and people like having something in front of them. I used Tús Maith last year, and it's too much unless someone is seriously committed.

My goal is to just "Introduce" people to the language and culture. Hopefully I'll get people just speaking a few words on the streets of my small Texas town. I'll have them do conversation exchanges with each other, and then they'll have the little course to learn some vocab. on their own time. I agree with Bríd that it has some real merits.

I always like to remind myself that any Irish is better than no Irish. (at least that's how I feel about it).



I had a good listen to some of that! He has a fair old lilt on him all right :) But if you knew no Irish at all, it certainly makes a grand start and sure if you are interested you can always listen to more other places and learn about pronunciation. I can see a fair bit of work went into it and I look forward to listening to the rest of it shortly.
A nice resource.

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 Post subject: Re: Is féidir liom
PostPosted: Mon 15 Jul 2013 6:35 pm 
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Féabar wrote:
WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Féabar wrote:
If the shoe fits wear it.


No, the shoe doesn't fit. I think pronunciation is important and I said so – that's hardly what I'd call being an "arm-chair quarterback".


Great! Then the comment didn't apply to you so lighten up.

I don't think the term "arm-chair quarterback critic" applies to anyone on this forum, Faber, so I would humbly suggest that you are the one who has overstepped the mark and needs to "lighten up" if you wish to contribute constructively to the forum and not be accused of being an "arm-chair cowboy". ;)

Not to diminish Séamas' contribution to the language, but Lughaidh has also contributed quite a lot to "getting the language out there", perhaps just not in the same circles as you yourself frequent. He is quite passionate about the language and not being a native speaker of English, can come across a bit stronger than intended in his viewpoints.

I agree with Braoin that the materials in "Is féidir liom" are a well-presented introduction to the language, but some caution is warranted.

It is certainly a valid suggestion that the materials could be improved if a native speaker were to contribute to the recordings.

To me, "any Irish is better than no Irish" only applies to learners of the language, not to teachers and teaching materials. It is always tempting for enthusiastic non-native teachers to "do it yourself" when preparing materials, but it is a temptation that should be resisted. (When I present sound files here, I generally make it clear that I am not a native speaker. In fact, this is quite clearly declared in my signature.)

Personally, I would use these materials for their written value but base my pronunciation on that in Buntús Cainte/Talk Irish.

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 Post subject: Re: Is féidir liom
PostPosted: Wed 25 Sep 2013 9:02 am 
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I'm receiving the occasional e-mail message with the words: You have received a new private message from a forum member to your account on
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You can view your new message by clicking on the following link: (such as) ucp.php?i=pm&folder=inbox
When I click the link I'm told that I don't have permission to read it!

Well, if that's the case, I'd much prefer not to receive these messages in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Is féidir liom
PostPosted: Tue 19 Nov 2013 6:58 pm 
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My personal opinion on the audio content would be grand with a bit of cleaning up (the broad r is often like english, and the 'gh' is pronounced broad the whole time). After all, the blas is generally decent and in the case of the slender r, it's the best I've heard in any resource made by a non-native speaker, outside of linguistic circles.

Remember, making the phonemic differences is the most important, followed then matching the phonetic profile of a native (that is, having sounds influence each other in context, ex: making r broad before slender t)

I hope the creator of the work is not too put off by any perceived slight of his contribution so as not to perhaps be so kind as to assist us here in the future

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