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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013 8:36 pm 
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A side observation based on the last comment: I feel as though I am seeing the verb "praise" in my Irish study materials way out of proportion to what I would expect. Do you think there could be anything to that?

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013 8:46 pm 
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The Irish verb "praise" is used in a lot of situations where English speakers might choose a different word like "encourage" "congratulate" "admire" or "recommend." For example, the old proverb:

Mol an óige agus tiochfaidh siad = Praise the young and they will come (Encourage the young and they will succeed)

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013 8:56 pm 
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Mick wrote:
The Irish verb "praise" is used in a lot of situations where English speakers might choose a different word like "encourage" "congratulate" "admire" or "recommend." For example, the old proverb:

Mol an óige agus tiochfaidh siad = Praise the young and they will come (Encourage the young and they will succeed)

I'm pretty sure it's "agus tiocfaidh sí". As indicated by the "an" it is referencing the feminine word "óige". :)


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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013 9:03 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's "agus tiocfaidh sí". As indicated by the "an" it is referencing the feminine word "óige". :)

Praise the youth and she/it will come

That makes a lot of sense. I did a quick google search and it seems that sí is more common than siad. It's amazing how a very simple question can lead off on so many new tangents. :good:

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013 9:16 pm 
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These answers are great. Thank you.

Also: I specialize in tangents. It requires some discipline to stay on the topic of a thread, but I am trying to follow forum rules.

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013 11:15 pm 
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Ellen wrote:
These answers are great. Thank you.

Also: I specialize in tangents. It requires some discipline to stay on the topic of a thread, but I am trying to follow forum rules.


Oh mercy, don't worry about that! It's one thing to start a completely new topic in the middle of a thread, but tangents are perfectly fine.

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Ellen wrote:
In a grammar exercise I am doing, I was asked to fill in the blanks in the following sentence:

Ta _____ níos sine ná _____. (He is older than she is, with "he" and "she" being the emphatic forms.)

I filled in the blanks with seisean and sise. The answer key says seisean and ise.

What do you say? This seems to me as though it may be about a comparable issue in English, which is, do you say "He is older than she [is]" or "he is older than her"? Could you imagine people speaking Irish saying either version, with the subject form OR the object form for the feminine pronoun? Or does it have to be one way, and if so, which way?

I would like to add that this particular grammar exercise was not properly proofread and contained multiple errors, so I do not have confidence in the answer key--hence my question here.

Tá seisean níos sine ná ise is correct.

requires the subject pronoun. takes an object. The English argument for "than she" doesn't apply to the Irish. Hence it will always be ná é/í/eisean/ise in Irish, never ná sé/sí/seisean/sise*

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Jun 2013 6:20 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Ellen wrote:
In a grammar exercise I am doing, I was asked to fill in the blanks in the following sentence:

Ta _____ níos sine ná _____. (He is older than she is, with "he" and "she" being the emphatic forms.)

I filled in the blanks with seisean and sise. The answer key says seisean and ise.

What do you say? This seems to me as though it may be about a comparable issue in English, which is, do you say "He is older than she [is]" or "he is older than her"? Could you imagine people speaking Irish saying either version, with the subject form OR the object form for the feminine pronoun? Or does it have to be one way, and if so, which way?

I would like to add that this particular grammar exercise was not properly proofread and contained multiple errors, so I do not have confidence in the answer key--hence my question here.

Tá seisean níos sine ná ise is correct.

requires the subject pronoun. takes an object. The English argument for "than she" doesn't apply to the Irish. Hence it will always be ná é/í/eisean/ise in Irish, never ná sé/sí/seisean/sise*


:yes:

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