I want to do X type sentences.

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

There is a tendency to overcomplicate things."Ba mhaith/ mhian liom staidéar leis amárach" is something that is said naturally. If you disagree, there is very little I can say to that. I'm just highlighting the fact that "Is maith/ mian liom staidéar leis amárach" sounds awkward, but do it which ever way you choose. I'm trying to show what is said, that's all. Everyday speech is what is important. But all the best if you want something else.

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Lughaidh wrote:

Is mian + liom + verbal noun + adverbs (when there's no object)

Is mian + liom + object + a + verbal noun + adverbs

Is mian liom ghabháil 'na' bhaile amárach = I want to go home tomorrow

Is mian liom cáca a ithe anocht = I want to eat cake tonight.

Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh air = I want to study it. (to make study on it).

are there other questions?

The third and fourth sentences are in the wrong tense. "Ba mhaith/ mhian liom...with..... amárach/ anocht" Perhaps it's a dialectic thing. I know Peig Sayers interchanges past and future tenses at times.

I want to eat cake tonight....Ba mhaith liom cáca a ithe anocht.

Is maith liom staidéar a dhéanamh air...means I like studying it, not I want to study it. I want to study....ba mhaith liom.

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

Maybe I'm wrong but I think you're both right.

Lughaidh is using mian, where you would use the present.

Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh air anocht = I want to study it tonight.

Rossaí is phrasing it slightly differently, using maith and a conditional, just as you would in English:

Ba mhaith liom staidéar a dhéanamh air anocht = I would like to study it tonight.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

I don't see where I used the wrong tense...

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There is a tendency to overcomplicate things."Ba mhaith/ mhian liom staidéar leis amárach" is something that is said naturally. If you disagree, there is very little I can say to that.

I don't disagree, I just said "is mian liom... amárach" is right.
"ba mhian" is "I would like". You can say "I would like to do that tomorrow", it's just not exactly the same thing as "is mian" which is present/future an not conditional.

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I'm just highlighting the fact that "Is maith/ mian liom staidéar leis amárach" sounds awkward,

I never wrote "is maith liom staidéar leis amárach"... so please don't say I said something while I didn't.

AnBraonach · **Joined:** Sat 22 Sep 2012 5:40 pm **Posts:** 157

Rossaí wrote:

I'm trying to show what is said, that's all. Everyday speech is what is important. But all the best if you want something else.

That's grand, Rossaí - but how well do you know everyday speech in NW Donegal, for example?

AnBraonach · **Joined:** Sat 22 Sep 2012 5:40 pm **Posts:** 157

Rossaí wrote:

Is maith liom staidéar a dhéanamh air...means I like studying it, not I want to study it. I want to study....ba mhaith liom.

And just to repeat the point I made in a previous post that you mightn't have seen, is maith liom can mean 'I want' in NW Donegal - it's particularly common among older speakers. In the case of your above phrase, context would let you know whether it's 'like' or 'want'.

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Come on guys...just own up...Ye are wrong.

Braoin · **Joined:** Sat 17 Sep 2011 11:52 pm **Posts:** 460

asenion wrote:

New to Irish here. Anyhow, is the following one way of translating "I want to study with him tomorrow." into Irish? Perhaps there are more natural ways of saying it and if there are, could you provide a few? Btw, I am grabbing this sentence pattern from "Spoken World Irish" by Living Language. They are giving the patterns a) COPULA + MIAN + LE + VERBAL NOUN and b) COPULA + MIAN + LE + NOUN + A + VERBAL NOUN LENITED IF POSSIBLE.

Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh ar amárach leis.

Also, should the preposition "ar" be dropped from this since the actual subject of study isn't mentioned and what about the placement of "leis"? I can never figure out if the adverb of time should come before or after this. Thanks in advance. Much appreciated.

For me it would be:
I want to study with him tomorrow
Tá mé ag iarraidh staidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach
or
Tá mé ag iarraidh staidéar a dhéanamh in éineacht leis amárach

or as you have already given:
I wish to study with him tomorrow.
Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach.
or
Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh in éineacht leis amárach.

I would like to study with him tomorrow
Ba mhaith liom stáidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach
or
Ba mhaith liom staidéar a dhéanamh in éineacht leis amárach.

Is maith liom staidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach - just sounds unnatural to me and I wouldn't say it. I will think about it and see if I can find an explanation of why...

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

Braoin wrote:

Is maith liom staidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach - just sounds unnatural to me and I wouldn't say it. I will think about it and see if I can find an explanation of why...

The only thing I could think of, might be wrong, is that it's sort of an odd sentence, literally:
I like to study with him tomorrow.
It means you enjoy studying with him tomorrow. I don't think that even makes sense in English.

Gumbi · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 8:09 pm **Posts:** 943

An Lon Dubh wrote:

Braoin wrote:

Is maith liom staidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach - just sounds unnatural to me and I wouldn't say it. I will think about it and see if I can find an explanation of why...

The only thing I could think of, might be wrong, is that it's sort of an odd sentence, literally:
I like to study with him tomorrow.
It means you enjoy studying with him tomorrow. I don't think that even makes sense in English.

It's not just odd, it doesn't make sense, logically speaking. You can't like something presently in the future. It's impossible

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