Tattoo: "Behind every beautiful girl ..."

Saoirse · **Posted:** Fri 19 Apr 2013 3:38 pm

Breandán wrote:

Taobh thiar de ghach......

?

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Redwolf wrote:

tigergutt wrote:

It's handwritten so it's a little bit hard to understand all the letters,
and it don't seems to be posible to post a photo here, so I
try my best to copy the text. I hope you recognize the words
and correct them for me..

Taubh shiar do gach cailín áil?ann
tá f?ar a rínne botún agus a rínne
an cailín láaidir.

From what you've typed, it looks like he wrote:

Taobh shiar do gach cailín álainn
Tá fear a rinne botún agus a rinne
an cailín láidir.

It's better Irish than I expected, to be honest, but I'm not sure it's the best way to way what you want. Gives us something to start with, though!

That literally comes out to:

In the back of every beautiful girl
There is a man who made a mistake and who made
the girl strong.

The English quote if full of idioms, so let's let some of the more experienced translators work with this and see if we can come up with something that's a bit more idiomatic in Irish.

(Guys, am I correct that there would need to be an "ann" after "fear" in the second line?)

Wait for more input.

Redwolf

It's better Irish than you expected? Irish is spoken here ya know and even in pubs in big cities :guiness:

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Breandán wrote:

Gumbi wrote:

Your changing to atá is making little sense to me, a Bhreandáin. I would have considered tá more correct - well not really, 'cos I think it should be bíonn which is why, I think, yoiu may have been put off in the fist place.

Yes, I think I changed the emphasis by doing that and bíonn is more appropriate, since it is "every girl".

Bríd Mhór wrote:

Taobh thiar....

I wrote taobh thiar in my post but forgot to correct the working copy. :facepalm:

Here is a revised version:

Taobh thiar de gach cailín álainn,
bíonn fear a rinne éagóir uirthi
agus a rinne cailín láidir di.

"Behind every beautiful girl
There is a man who did her wrong
and who made a strong girl of her."

Await further input, especially answers to Bríd's question ...

It's looking well. I'd change the end bit though. Excuse the Munsterisms also...

Taobh thiar de gach cailín álainn
tá fear a dhein éagóir uirthi
mar a dhein sé bean di.....

Behind every beautiful girl,
there's a man who did her wrong
as he made a woman of her.....indicating that she had learned form the mistake and evolved.Just a suggestion but the text above works too. For some reason I don't think there is a need to lenite "gach".

tigergutt · **Joined:** Thu 18 Apr 2013 11:12 am **Posts:** 9

I'm looking for a translation that describes that a
guy did something wrong to a girl, and the girl learned of
the mistakes he did, and that she got strong because of
what he did to her.

So I'm most satisfied with this answer:

Taobh thiar de gach cailín álainn,
bíonn fear a rinne éagóir uirthi
agus a rinne cailín láidir di.

"Behind every beautiful girl
There is a man who did her wrong
and who made a strong girl of her."

Thanks anyway for the input

Breandán · **Posted:** Fri 19 Apr 2013 6:07 pm

Saoirse wrote:

Breandán wrote:

Taobh thiar de ghach......

?

Tis a good question (mark :winkgrin:

), a Shaoirse, but as Rossaí says I don't think there is any need to lenite gach after de, even though de usually causes lenition. I am not sure why this is so.

Here's a parallel construction straight from Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí (though it appeared therein as part of the explanation of something else and not a rule for or example of this construction itself):

taobh istigh de gach roinn

Redwolf · **Posted:** Fri 19 Apr 2013 11:36 pm

Rossaí wrote:

Redwolf wrote:

tigergutt wrote:

It's handwritten so it's a little bit hard to understand all the letters,
and it don't seems to be posible to post a photo here, so I
try my best to copy the text. I hope you recognize the words
and correct them for me..

Taubh shiar do gach cailín áil?ann
tá f?ar a rínne botún agus a rínne
an cailín láaidir.

From what you've typed, it looks like he wrote:

Taobh shiar do gach cailín álainn
Tá fear a rinne botún agus a rinne
an cailín láidir.

It's better Irish than I expected, to be honest, but I'm not sure it's the best way to way what you want. Gives us something to start with, though!

That literally comes out to:

In the back of every beautiful girl
There is a man who made a mistake and who made
the girl strong.

The English quote if full of idioms, so let's let some of the more experienced translators work with this and see if we can come up with something that's a bit more idiomatic in Irish.

(Guys, am I correct that there would need to be an "ann" after "fear" in the second line?)

Wait for more input.

Redwolf

It's better Irish than you expected? Irish is spoken here ya know and even in pubs in big cities :guiness:

And how many halfway decent Irish translations have you seen from someone who claimed to have gotten the translation from some guy in a pub? Or, for that matter, from some anonymous "friend" or "relative" in Ireland? Often this kind of statement means "I looked it up myself in the dictionary," or "some friend of mine who claims to speak Irish told me...".

So yeah...when I hear this kind of thing, I'm always a bit skeptical.

No offense to you, tigergutt, and it seems as if you did encounter someone who does speak the language, but you'd be shocked how often we hear that someone got this from "some guy in Ireland" or "a relative in Ireland" only to find out the translation is absolute shite. It's one reason we always ask people to post the translations they've received from elsewhere...they CAN be good, but very, very often they're laughable. You got lucky, and further, you're smart...you double checked!

Redwolf

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Breandán wrote:

Saoirse wrote:

Breandán wrote:

Taobh thiar de ghach......

?

Tis a good question (mark :winkgrin:

), a Shaoirse, but as Rossaí says I don't think there is any need to lenite gach after de, even though de usually causes lenition. I am not sure why this is so.

Here's a parallel construction straight from Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí (though it appeared therein as part of the explanation of something else and not a rule for or example of this construction itself):

taobh istigh de gach roinn

I don't know why either Breandán but some words do seem to avoid lenition as well as others that have what's known as permanent lenition m.sh "cheanna"

tigergutt · **Joined:** Thu 18 Apr 2013 11:12 am **Posts:** 9

Redwolf wrote:

Rossaí wrote:

Redwolf wrote:

tigergutt wrote:

It's handwritten so it's a little bit hard to understand all the letters,
and it don't seems to be posible to post a photo here, so I
try my best to copy the text. I hope you recognize the words
and correct them for me..

Taubh shiar do gach cailín áil?ann
tá f?ar a rínne botún agus a rínne
an cailín láaidir.

From what you've typed, it looks like he wrote:

Taobh shiar do gach cailín álainn
Tá fear a rinne botún agus a rinne
an cailín láidir.

It's better Irish than I expected, to be honest, but I'm not sure it's the best way to way what you want. Gives us something to start with, though!

That literally comes out to:

In the back of every beautiful girl
There is a man who made a mistake and who made
the girl strong.

The English quote if full of idioms, so let's let some of the more experienced translators work with this and see if we can come up with something that's a bit more idiomatic in Irish.

(Guys, am I correct that there would need to be an "ann" after "fear" in the second line?)

Wait for more input.

Redwolf

It's better Irish than you expected? Irish is spoken here ya know and even in pubs in big cities :guiness:

And how many halfway decent Irish translations have you seen from someone who claimed to have gotten the translation from some guy in a pub? Or, for that matter, from some anonymous "friend" or "relative" in Ireland? Often this kind of statement means "I looked it up myself in the dictionary," or "some friend of mine who claims to speak Irish told me...".

So yeah...when I hear this kind of thing, I'm always a bit skeptical.

No offense to you, tigergutt, and it seems as if you did encounter someone who does speak the language, but you'd be shocked how often we hear that someone got this from "some guy in Ireland" or "a relative in Ireland" only to find out the translation is absolute shite. It's one reason we always ask people to post the translations they've received from elsewhere...they CAN be good, but very, very often they're laughable. You got lucky, and further, you're smart...you double checked!

Redwolf

It was a pub that we got to know a litle afterwords, so I asked the bartender if he knew someone who could help me with some irish translation, so he got me a litle older man who could. I think they knew each other, and it seemed like a reliable source. But of course, I never would have tattoed the text on my body without being sure if it's the "right" text! I never know if it's 100% right then, bacause I have no knowledge of gaelic. That's why I'm here so you can help me out, and I give my trust in you people. Appreciate youre help and respondings!

An Cionnfhaolach · **Joined:** Fri 09 Mar 2012 6:16 pm **Posts:** 1527

Sorry lads for weighing in a bit late!. What about changing "Taobh thiar" to "laistiar". I think "bíonn" works better than "tá" though.

Breandán · **Posted:** Sat 20 Apr 2013 5:03 pm

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

Sorry lads for weighing in a bit late!. What about changing "Taobh thiar" to "laistiar". I think "bíonn" works better than "tá" though.

We have bíonn in the working copy already:

Taobh thiar de gach cailín álainn,
bíonn fear a rinne éagóir uirthi
agus a rinne cailín láidir di.

"Behind every beautiful girl
There is a man who did her wrong
and who made a strong girl of her."

Laistiar would put a very strong Munster stamp on the translation. I don't think the las-/lais forms are used much in the other dialects, just taobh ~.

A Munster translation is a fine thing, of course, if that is what the OP wants, but there hasn't been a request for any particular dialect ...

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