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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr 2013 2:12 am 
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr 2013 5:57 am 
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Domhnaillín Breac wrote:
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"Beidh grá agam daoibh go deo" (Caoimhín's suggestion with Mick's correction) is good. Another, ever-so-slightly shorter, possible option (others weigh in on this, please) is "Grá mo chroí go deo sibh" ("You are my heart's love forever").

I agree, I really like the wording of this option! Thank you so much! More opinions, pretty please?

My opinion's not worth much, but I first learned this construction with ar rather than do and that still sounds better to me (even if I do like the effect of the alliteration here).

Domhnaillín's point does come up quite often. Some people have learned it with ar and others with do.

FGB gives both ar and do, so both are acceptable in the CO.

Beyond that there appears to be some regional preference of one over the other, though I forget which is which. :dhera:

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Apr 2013 4:11 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:

" Another, ever-so-slightly shorter, possible option (others weigh in on this, please) is "Grá mo chroí go deo sibh" ("You are my heart's love forever").

Do wait for more input on that one.

Redwolf


I have really fallen in love with this way of expressing the sentiment! I have two people in agreement on it so far and would love another opinion or two before I get my tattoo. Thank you so much! :D


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PostPosted: Tue 16 Apr 2013 5:16 pm 
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Freelancer wrote:
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" Another, ever-so-slightly shorter, possible option (others weigh in on this, please) is "Grá mo chroí go deo sibh" ("You are my heart's love forever").
Do wait for more input on that one.
Redwolf


I have really fallen in love with this way of expressing the sentiment! I have two people in agreement on it so far and would love another opinion or two before I get my tattoo. Thank you so much! :D


As the one who gave you the first suggestion, I also agree that Red's suggestion is great. Wish I'd thought of it. :winkgrin:

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Apr 2013 7:35 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:

As the one who gave you the first suggestion, I also agree that Red's suggestion is great. Wish I'd thought of it. :winkgrin:


Haha. Thank you for your help though. I do really appreciate it.

"Grá mo chroí go deo sibh" Can someone give me a hand with the proper pronunciation of this? I would like to make sure I'm saying it properly. Thank you!


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Apr 2013 7:39 pm 
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Freelancer wrote:
CaoimhínSF wrote:

As the one who gave you the first suggestion, I also agree that Red's suggestion is great. Wish I'd thought of it. :winkgrin:


Haha. Thank you for your help though. I do really appreciate it.

"Grá mo chroí go deo sibh" Can someone give me a hand with the proper pronunciation of this? I would like to make sure I'm saying it properly. Thank you!


I'm sure someone will be able to make you a sound file, but just for starters, to get you in the ballpark:

Grah muh khree guh joh shiv

That "kh" is a gutteral sound not found in English. If you know how to pronounce the German "Bach" or Scottish "loch" correctly, you've got it.

Wait for more.

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Here's a sound file for a Connemara-based pronunciation:

Grá mo chroí go deo sibh
GRAW muh KHREE guh DyOH SHIV
/grɑ: mə xri: gə d´o: s´iw´/

See Redwolf's explanation above regarding ch /x/ "kh". :yes:

For those who can distinguish between /gra:/ "grah" and /grɑ:/ "graw", grá is pronounced like "graw" in Connemara and Munster (and like /græ:/ "grae" (rhymes with "nah") in Donegal.)

The r's in grá and chroí should be flapped singly like a Scottish English r.

Slender d (in deo) is midway between a d and a j sound.

Slender s (in sibh) is an sh sound, like the s in Seán (=Shawn).

The bh in sibh is a v sound, though it is just a b in Cois Fhairrge.

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Breandán wrote:
Here's a sound file for a Connemara-based pronunciation:

Grá mo chroí go deo sibh
GRAW muh KHREE guh DyOH SHIV
/grɑ: mə xri: gə d´o: s´iw´/

See Redwolf's explanation above regarding ch /x/ "kh". :yes:

For those who can distinguish between /gra:/ "grah" and /grɑ:/ "graw", grá is pronounced like "graw" in Connemara and Munster (and like /græ:/ "grae" (rhymes with "nah") in Donegal.)

The r's in grá and chroí should be flapped singly like a Scottish English r.

Slender d (in deo) is midway between a d and a j sound.

Slender s (in sibh) is an sh sound, like the s in Seán (=Shawn).

The bh in sibh is a v sound, though it is just a b in Cois Fhairrge.


For most Americans (those who don't know IPA), I'd say that "grá" is pronounced almost like "gry" in Donegal. We would always pronounce "ah" with a long "a" sound...the major difference, among those whose dialect distinguishes between "aw" and "ah" is a greater rounding of the lips with "aw" (I usually tell my fellow Americans to think of "aw" as "awe" as said in New Jersey)

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Apr 2013 6:55 pm 
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Thank you so much you guys! I had the pronunciation close but the phonetics and the sound file are a huge help. I'm very excited and have my consult next week. Thank you again to you all for helping me. :winkgrin: :D


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