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PostPosted: Wed 10 Apr 2013 10:54 am 
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Brian O'Cathain wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that we seem to be losing the ng sound in a lot of nn endings, The only person who seems to pronounce Sinn Féin (Shing Fayne) correctly is our dear old Mr.Paisley. Gerry Adams seems to pronounce it SHIN. Another loss seems to be the Y glide in slender vowel words like cionn (cyun), ceart (cyart)etc.

Slender -nn being "ing" was only ever specific to a few dialects. In Munster usage of "ing" for -nn only really occurred in Cork. In Kerry they always said just a slender -n. Listen
to recordings of Pieg Sayers for example.

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Slender -nn being "ing" was only ever specific to a few dialects. In Munster usage of "ing" for -nn only really occurred in Cork.


and in Waterford (an Rinn).

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Apr 2013 4:15 pm 
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Brian O'Cathain wrote:
Another loss seems to be the Y glide in slender vowel words like cionn (cyun), ceart (cyart)etc.

Actually, I tend to view a strong palatal glide before low vowels in words like ceart as something of an overpronunciation.


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PostPosted: Wed 10 Apr 2013 5:00 pm 
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Domhnaillín Breac wrote:
Brian O'Cathain wrote:
Another loss seems to be the Y glide in slender vowel words like cionn (cyun), ceart (cyart)etc.

Actually, I tend to view a strong palatal glide before low vowels in words like ceart as something of an overpronunciation.

To my ear, pronouncing ceart at "cyart" would be a bit like pronouncing fear as "fyar" or bean as "byan." The first letter of ceart, fear, bean etc. seem to be only slightly palatised.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Apr 2013 6:33 pm 
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Actually, I tend to view a strong palatal glide before low vowels in words like ceart as something of an overpronunciation.


there's a natural glide in "ceart" because the slender c is pronounced in the back of the mouth and the "ea" in the front.
However there's no glide in bean nor in fear because the f and the b are pronounced with the lips, ie. in the front of the mouth, just like the "ea" itself. Glides appear when two sounds that follow each other are pronounced in two opposite places in the mouth (broad consonants have a back resonance, slender ones have a front one)
I don't know if it's clear, but anyway, pronouncing "kyart" is normal, pronouncing bann and farr is normal too (however, in certain dead dialects as in the Glens of Antrim, I think they would have said fyar and byan).

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Apr 2013 9:57 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
there's a natural glide in "ceart" because the slender c is pronounced in the back of the mouth and the "ea" in the front.

I suppose that's true if for you /k'/ is a palatalised velar rather than a true palatal, as it is for many speakers.


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