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 Post subject: irish in schools
PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012 11:23 am 
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I don't want to bore everyone with re-hashing what I'm sure you've covered already somewhere in these discussions but bear with me please, this is all new to me.
Has the 'standard' version been universally adopted across the Irish Republic in all state schools ?
Is the standard version taught in schools in the North ( Ulster )
How do students cope when they go back to their respective communities and are expected to use their local dialect.
Is the shift from school or standard irish to local dialect simple enough ?
I'm also thinking of TV and radio stations, news, current affairs, magazine programmes etc, do they broadcast in standard Irish ?


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012 11:30 am 
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Has the 'standard' version been universally adopted across the Irish Republic in all state schools ?
Is the standard version taught in schools in the North ( Ulster )


yes.

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How do students cope when they go back to their respective communities and are expected to use their local dialect.


I think they keep using their dialect, more or less influenced by school Irish.

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Is the shift from school or standard irish to local dialect simple enough ?


no but I think they don't need to do it. Now for writing it's more difficult because you have less freedom in writing. If you write non-standard forms it's counted as wrong, as far as I know.

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I'm also thinking of TV and radio stations, news, current affairs, magazine programmes etc, do they broadcast in standard Irish ?


I think people more or less use their dialect if they do speak one (with some new words). But in the media, many people also aren't native speakers and don't always speak properly.

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 Post subject: Re: irish in schools
PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012 1:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: irish in schools
PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012 2:15 pm 
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When you say standard Irish is taught pretty much across the state thats true but it's also influenced by where the school is and where the particular teacher is from. Like, my fiancée only has school Irish but her Irish is a mixture of standard & Munster Irish, where she grew up. She doesn't understand my Irish half the time, but thats mostly because I am a learner with a strange accent saying things like Cén chaoi a bhfuil tú & a'am instead of agUm for agam.

She tells me my Irish is wrong, which it probably is, but she admits I have a small point when she hears the Irish in Ros na Rún :)


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 Post subject: Re: irish in schools
PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012 2:41 pm 
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You know, a little bit of me is discouraged by this but being from Belfast, I think people from Ballymena can sound alien !. We had a family friend from Toomebridge ( Derry ) I was the only one in my entire family of 13 who could understand ANYTHING he said only because I spent so much time with him. 40 miles up the road, closer to Derry city, some of them are unintelligible to my ear !
My son's girlfriend is Polish, perfectly fluent in English AND drop dead gorgeous, she is amazed that in such a small state, N. I., we have so many very different accents, some of which if left to a period of isolation in some longterm Darwinian experiment would no doubt become dialects ;)


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I wouldn't think it would be a big issue for the kids to go back and forth. After all, kids in the States learn standardized American English in schools and have no difficulty using their own local dialect at home or on the playground. For that matter, many have school through English and have no difficultly going home and speaking Spanish or Arabic, or whatever the majority language is in their home or community. Children are incredibly adaptable that way...it's we grownups who have difficulty making that switch!

We once knew a family in which the father was Swiss (from a German-speaking region of Switzerland, though he had fluent and idiomatic English), the mother was American with English as her first language, and the children were being raised in Spanish-speaking schools in Colombia. It was so much fun listening to the kids talk, flipping back and forth between their three languages without missing a beat!

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 Post subject: Re: irish in schools
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Redwolf wrote:
I wouldn't think it would be a big issue for the kids to go back and forth. After all, kids in the States learn standardized American English in schools and have no difficulty using their own local dialect at home or on the playground. For that matter, many have school through English and have no difficultly going home and speaking Spanish or Arabic, or whatever the majority language is in their home or community. Children are incredibly adaptable that way...it's we grownups who have difficulty making that switch!

We once knew a family in which the father was Swiss (from a German-speaking region of Switzerland, though he had fluent and idiomatic English), the mother was American with English as her first language, and the children were being raised in Spanish-speaking schools in Colombia. It was so much fun listening to the kids talk, flipping back and forth between their three languages without missing a beat!

Redwolf

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In my grandson's Gaelscoil there are quite a few Polish kids, they are being taught Irish as their main language, with English as a second and I've NO idea when they get to learn Polish. As you say in the US the kids just get on with it and maybe I'm just going through my worry pangs then I'll get over it and get on with it.
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 Post subject: Re: irish in schools
PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012 7:19 pm 
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peterdewolf wrote:
In my grandson's Gaelscoil there are quite a few Polish kids, they are being taught Irish as their main language, with English as a second and I've NO idea when they get to learn Polish.
They probably don't formally learn Polish at all; they use it at home and so learn it naturally, without structured lessons. Beatha teanga í a labhairt.

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 Post subject: Re: irish in schools
PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012 7:26 pm 
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In fairness, from what I've heard Lughaidh, the more knowledgeable teachers do not dock for dialectal writing, at least for the most part.


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