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PostPosted: Sat 13 Oct 2012 11:50 pm 
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In the wake of the vice presidential debate, I now have several people asking me if "malarky" really is Irish for "lying sack of sh*t." Apparently it's showing up that way (well, possibly not literally) in "How the Irish Invented Slang." I know that a lot of the stuff in that book is based on speculation and not necessarily reliable. I don't have a copy...does anyone know his reasoning? Does it seem plausible? Or is it just a bunch of malarky?

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Oct 2012 1:42 am 
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Baldy doesn't have it but Webster's 9th gives it as unknown origin meaning insincere or foolish talk, bunkum (1929) and that's how I've always heard it used - a real load of malarkey. May not be Irish in origin but slang of that era.


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Oct 2012 1:53 am 
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Just found my copy of Cassidy's book and he doesn't give an origin for mullarkey as he calls it but says it is beguiling baloney .Always thought he was an expert at that.


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Oct 2012 2:50 am 
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beagle wrote:
Just found my copy of Cassidy's book and he doesn't give an origin for mullarkey as he calls it but says it is beguiling baloney .Always thought he was an expert at that.


I wouldn't say he was an expert (unless you mean he was an expert at bequiling baloney!). By his own admission, he didn't speak a word of Irish when he started formulating his theories...he'd been given a copy of an Irish-English dictionary, and started speculating from there. I don't know that he ever did any real, scientific, research on the topic.

My understanding of "malarky" (in terms of what I grew up hearing) is close to what you got from Webster. It sounds somewhat like an Anglicized Irish surname, but that's the only indication I see of Irish roots.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Oct 2012 3:02 am 
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Redwolf wrote:
(unless you mean he was an expert at bequiling baloney!)

I think that is exactly what beagle meant. :yes: :LOL:

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Oct 2012 11:49 am 
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beagle wrote:
Baldy doesn't have it but Webster's 9th gives it as unknown origin meaning insincere or foolish talk, bunkum (1929) and that's how I've always heard it used - a real load of malarkey. May not be Irish in origin but slang of that era.

That's my understanding of it.


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Oct 2012 4:22 pm 
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Of course that's what I meant. Cassidy used to be on Daltaí's forum constantly giving his opinions of word origins and no matter who disagreed with him, he stuck to his opinion. The more opposite opinions he got, the more determined he became. The best I can say for him was he was determined :hide:


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PostPosted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 5:32 am 
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There is a discussion of the origin of the word on JSTOR, and it apparently may have a San Francisco origin. This link goes to the opening part of the discussion. If anyone is really interested, I know someone with a JSTOR subscription and could probably get the whole article and email it to you:

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1500337?uid=3739560&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101150167913

Grammarphobia also has a brief article speculating on the origin of the word:

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2007/01/a-lot-of-malarkey.html

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 9:01 am 
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In Dublin slang: a load of malarky - talking rubbish
acting malarky - being silly


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PostPosted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 11:58 am 
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I haven't ever heard acting mallarky, though I'd guess the meaning.


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