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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul 2012 3:04 pm 
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http://www.teg.ie/

Teastas Eorpach na Gaeilge:
- Scrúduithe d’fhoghlaimeoirí fásta Gaeilge
- Sé leibhéal ó Bhonnleibhéal 1 go hArdleibhéal

Teastas Eorpach na Gaeilge (The European Certificate in Irish):
- Examinations for adult learners of Irish
- Six levels from Absolute Beginners to Advanced

An bhfuil taithí le éinne le? T.E.G.? Has anyone any experience with T.E.G.?

I am wondering about having a specific goal to help me focus my efforts. I feel like I am muddling along a little, sometimes more successfully than others, but going nowhere focused fast.

Separate question: it's a réamhfhocal one - I hadn't a clue what to go for so it is a bit of a shot in the dark. An mbíonn taithí le duine i / le / ? rud?

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jul 2012 8:51 am 
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Teastas Eorpach na Gaeilge is a mish-mash of standard, Munster, and Ulster Irish, all on the same page, without any regard for any particular dialect.

It's a pity that there isn't a seperate set of learning materials written for each of the dialects.

You will definitely be penalised if you use the seanchló or sean litriughadh in the exams, as the examiners are young people with limited knowledge, or even none at all of such things, and in my experience would regard old style writing as mistakes.

Last year it cost 100 Euro, this year 150 Euro to sit the exam, costasach i mo thuairimse, especially if one has to travel to an exam center.

Harsh words, but in my opinion it's just another Irish solution to an Irish problem, and I'm not impressed !
Still, I'm surprised that no one else has responded.


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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jul 2012 9:16 am 
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I was actually thinking about doing it, but I'm a little put off by what I've heard.
Similar to what Seaghan has said, I've heard that things like "Do chuireas" may be marked wrong.

Now I don't really mind this is cases where I know how to switch to the standard phrasing, but
in a lot of cases I don't know the Standard way of saying it and I don't really want to learn alternate
forms (that nobody uses) for hundreds of words and phrases.

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jul 2012 9:37 am 
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I, too, was curious about such tests as a way to measure progress (or lack thereof). But it appears that there is no way for someone learning dialectal Irish to “test” for proficiency. :/

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jul 2012 1:35 pm 
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Because they don't care.
I am very doubtful when native speakers of a language can't manage to succeed in these tests (because they are full of office-created words that only learners know!)... Normally, such tests should be a piece of cake for all native speakers. Actually, it isn't, simply because they don't test the same language, it's like office Irish as opposed to natural Irish. Unfortunately I think it happens with other "minority" languages too.

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Lughaidh wrote:
I am very doubtful when native speakers of a language can't manage to succeed in these tests (because they are full of office-created words that only learners know!)... Normally, such tests should be a piece of cake for all native speakers. Actually, it isn't, simply because they don't test the same language, it's like office Irish as opposed to natural Irish.
I agree with everything said.

However, given that I am a learner with a starting point of school Irish ie caighdeán and a continuation of learning with caighdeán (please don't groan in despair!), is T.E.G. a suitable route for an inferior being such as myself? :hide:

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I'm guessing it would Saoirse, the actual exams e.t.c. look very good ignoring this particular issue.
I do think it's a very good course in general.

My problem was that I began with a course with Conradh na Gaeilge, following on from the TYI
book by Dillon and Ó Cróinín. In the second class I wrote down "Do dhíolas" instead of "Dhíol mé"
and I was told flat out that the word "dhíolas" didn't exist and that you only use "Do" before vowels
and fh, anything else was wrong. This class was aimed at getting you the B1 qualification.
I don't mind the CO being a choice, but not a necessity.

As I said the actual course notes e.t.c. are all very good, interesting, promoted speaking, e.t.c.
So I'd say you would definitely enjoy it and improve.

Actually are there any dialect tests, does anybody know?

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Actually are there any dialect tests, does anybody know?


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An Lon Dubh wrote:
I was actually thinking about doing it, but I'm a little put off by what I've heard.
Similar to what Seaghan has said, I've heard that things like "Do chuireas" may be marked wrong.

Now I don't really mind this is cases where I know how to switch to the standard phrasing, but
in a lot of cases I don't know the Standard way of saying it and I don't really want to learn alternate
forms (that nobody uses) for hundreds of words and phrases.


Sorry to bump this old thread, but im doing the TEG in a couple of weeks and i'm getting very nervous reading this. Is it still the case that you can be marked wrong for things like Do Chireas?
I frequently use this form, even when I try not too it still sometimes slips out, especially if under pressure. What about other local specific things like "aige baile" ?

My broken stuttering sentences are going to completely fall apart if I have to think at each word weather it would be considered correct or not. :(

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Dáithí Mac Giolla. wrote:
Sorry to bump this old thread, but im doing the TEG in a couple of weeks and i'm getting very nervous reading this. Is it still the case that you can be marked wrong for things like Do Chireas?
I frequently use this form, even when I try not too it still sometimes slips out, especially if under pressure. What about other local specific things like "aige baile" ?

My broken stuttering sentences are going to completely fall apart if I have to think at each word weather it would be considered correct or not. :(

Don't worry about it Dáithí, I spoke to people who are involved in running it and dialect variation is now part of the course. Individual teachers might not be aware of it, but they're not marked wrong. I was told that the synthetic forms are now understood variations and many classes start with a fixed dialect for consistency.

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