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Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

[quote="Somhairle Óg"]


They'll call you an eejit out of shame, because a French man has become more Irish than themselves. Ah the auld peig, seems to have brought more misery to people than anything else. I could say the same about King Lear or having to read Wuthering Heights. Though I believe Irish is taught badly with emphasis on the wrong aspects, most people finish school with some kind of competency. But what happens is they don't feel the need to use it and within two years most of their Irish has gone- if you don't use it you'll loose it. That's why I think people constantly blaming the Government for everything is stupid, no matter what the Government has in place if people aren't willing to speak it.

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Not sure it'd always be out of shame, a lot people would regret not being to speak it and say "isn't it terrible we dont speak our own language", but others would just think "whats the point" "wasting his time". thats just my opinion and feeling I get around Dublin anyway. A lot of people would say they have no Irish, but most people have more than they think.

Back to the Gaeltacht a sec, don't know if anyone would find this interesting but my fiancée is down next to the Kerry Gaeltacht today, shes from Tipp herself but her mum is from a village next to the Kerry Gaeltacht with very good Irish, but her grandmother has fluent Gaeltacht Irish and my fiancée is minding her for the week as she is 97 & frail, she hasn't a word of English left, it's a pity she has alzeihmers because I would love to chat properly with her, but all the English she learnt as a 2nd language is gone. My fiancée says she cant understand a word she says hardly apart from conas atá tú (whereas she would understand OK the TV/ School irish crowd). Now that is a statement of Gaeltacht Irish and where its come. Woman grows up fluent in only Irish, marries and moves to the next village, her daughter grows up with the mix of the two languages, moves away and has a daughter who only has school Irish. Unfortunately they couldn't give a fiddlers fart about the actual language, to them it is just something that they have/ had, which is a shame it can be lost so quickly and not passed down, even if they did move out the gaeltacht.

I wonder if my grandmother was from the Gaeltacht would I have the same interest I do? I know if I did Id be down there every weekend practising!!

PS if anyones interested I'll ask if she can get a recording of her, not sure what use it will be though or if its humane given shes away with the faeries?

why wouldn't it be human? there's nothing bad in recording someone, if you do nothing bad with the recording

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Her dignity bless her, would you want to be filmed with extreem alzeihmers babbling on about nothing in particular?

I think it should be a condition of residence/ownership of property in the Gaeltacht to have to speak Irish there. People who move to a Gaeltacht and only speak English remind me of the yuppies who buy houses in the country and then complain about the smell and noise of the cattle from the neighbouring farms. A Gaeltacht is a traditional Irish-speaking area - don't go there unless you can respect that fact.

I took a group of Japanese students of Irish to Tír an Fhia and the Aran Islands, and the locals were very impressed that we spoke the local dialect and were very friendly to us because of it. They were intrigued as to why my students were learning and asked them all about it.

Nothing pisses Gaeltacht speakers off more than smart-ass Dubliners with Urban accents telling them they can't understand them because they don't talk like the "Irish" on TV. That's why I wasn't surprised that Manachán and his No Béarla program couldn't find Irish speakers even in the Gaeltacht. It isn't because they aren't there. It's because nobody wants to engage with a fucking lunatic trying to mock them with pseudo-Irish.

The people who really appreciate the value of Irish language the most are the people who go to live overseas and thereby realise that Irish language, and other traditional culture such as music and dance, is all that really separates them from being generic clones of "globalisation" or the EU.

And the real Irish is still there in the Gaeltacht if you have the right attitude - but if not, forget it.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

I wondered why the the lady in the shop in Kerry the last time I was there only spoke english to me when i said "conas a bleedin tá tú? Howya love, go maith? Jaysus féach ar an aimsir" on a serious note, Ó Broin in that Urban Irish video I posted goes into the whole tribalism between dialects ie Kerry & Donegal, he said people refuse to talk to him sometimes because of his dialect if hes in another Gaeltacht. Aside from any dubliners going in telling gaeltacht people theyre talking wrong, I think its a bit snobby if Gaeltach people wont talk to someome because the talk differently. Im not reluctant to talk to people from Belfast cos they sound different. Im sure its not always like that, but fair play to ya for bringing those learners there

I've not encountered that problem at all. I got a very friendly reception from native speakers in Donegal as well, even with my strong Connemara accent.

I think Munster speakers have a tendency to "correct" people more, but even then, I think it is more of a non-native habit, the kind of people who mistakenly think that gluaisteán is better than carr or guthán is better than fón. Native speakers just take those kinds of differences in their stride. Non-natives are forever butting in.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

tá áthas orm a' feiceáilt go scríobhann duine ineacht eile é!

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