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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jan 2025 4:38 pm 
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measctha: I don't believe this has an epenthetic vowel. Meascaithe derives from an analogical generalisation of the second-conjugation verbal adjective pattern.


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2025 8:50 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Séamus O'Neill wrote:
mar sin I have heard both the forms mar sin/seo and mar san/so, even though, as a rule sin/seo tend to come after slender vowels and san/so after broad ones; this seems to be an exception.


I’d guess:
so, san are adjectival forms, following nouns.
But in mar seo seo is a pronoun and pronouns are always seo, sin.


I hadn't thought about it like that, but that would make sense.

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2025 9:25 pm 
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thosnaigh, pronounced thosanaigh
marla 'modeling clay'
briseadh 'recess'
Chaith Mossie ... 'Mossie had to ...', in most other dialects, the verb caith can only be used in the sense of have to when used in the future and conditional, but in Munster it is often used in other tenses.
ag tanú na dtornapaí 'thinning the turnips'
buachalán buí 'ragweed, ragwort'
é rin ráite 'that said', a Béarlachas saying, translated directly from English. More historical forms would be ina dhiaidh sin féin, mar sin féin, and má tá féin (as said by Feargal Ó Béarra)
slachtmhar 'neat, tidy', I think that this may be pronounced as slachtúr, but I'm not quite sure
dó is dó a chur le chéile 'to add two and two/put two together', this seems like Béarlachas
útamáil 'fumbling'
ná bíodh gíoc asat 'don't make a noise'
thá, independent lenited form of , apparently they seem to be used alongside each other in the authors speech
Cad atá ar an mbó bhocht? 'what's wrong with the poor cow'
fear caol ard ab ea Sheáinín does anyone know why Seáinín is lenited?
An b'ea, CDh form of an ea
ábhairín 'somewhat'
gheomhuis, this seems to be some sort of exclamation, but the spelling is nonstandard

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2025 9:38 pm 
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gheomhuis: could this be "a dhe, mhuise"?


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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jan 2025 11:04 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
gheomhuis: could this be "a dhe, mhuise"?


That would make sense

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jan 2025 11:28 pm 
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séideadh 'blowing, wafting'
caincín 'snub'
beannacht Dé le hanama na marbh 'God bless the souls of your dead'
táim buíoch duit (= díot) 'I am grateful of you'
scaipthe 'scatter-brained', pronounced scaipithe
fé thor feamnaí = genitive of feamnach (which would be an alternative of feamainn)?
dinnéir pronounced dínnéir, with the stress on the second syllable
conas go gcuaigh would it not be conas a chuaigh, with the relative particle?
ní mór ná go dtit an t-anam asam 'my soul nearly leapt out of me'

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baoch díot: grateful to you


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jan 2025 9:52 pm 
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chuala first person singular past of clois
éanlaithe 'birds'
alternative form of cibé (used more commonly)
pé duine go raibh sé ag caint leis, the more commonly used form of pé duine leis ar raibh sé ag caint (which is more encouraged in the Caighdeán, I believe), possibly influenced by English?
cé go 'even though'
reilig 'graveyard'
ceapamar, normally would be ceapamair in Munster Irish
d'fhágas slán aige 'I said goodbye to him'
spréacha 'sparks'
bhí sé ag déanamh orm 'it was getting on me'?
cíordhubh 'jet black'
bhíos scanraithe 'I was scared', perhaps Béarlachas. More traditionally it would be 'bhí scanradh orm'
chuir sé an claí do 'he kicked up/out the wall'
d'ínsíos, in the southern half of the peninsula 'niseas
ligin, ligint in the standard
'toilet'?

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pé duine leis ar raibh sé ag caint ????

Are you sure? I don't that is the CO form at all.

Might it be: pé duine lena raibh sé ag caint?


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jan 2025 10:26 pm 
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Séamus O'Neill wrote:
pé duine go raibh sé ag caint leis, the more commonly used form of pé duine leis ar raibh sé ag caint (which is more encouraged in the Caighdeán, I believe), possibly influenced by English?


Once you could say "duine leis a raibh" in some now extinct dialects (in the North East, iirc).
It is far from being Standard - except for questions.
(This word order is still used in questions: Cé leis a raibh ....)

Standard is: duine a raibh ... leis (or: duine lena raibh ...)

(BTW: a raibh - not: ar raibh. One r (< ro) is enough.)

duine go raibh ... leis is not influenced by English. Go is a combination of ag + a, here. It is not the conjunction go.
duine ’na raibh ... leis was an alternative version in Munster (’na = ina = combination of i + a)


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